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To ask how much you think income tax will rise by?

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Wonderofwimbledon · 06/11/2025 20:33

We’re absolutely financially at our limit… I’m so incredibly stressed. An income tax rise will break us and we won’t be able to afford it. We won’t have money to eat.

What do you think it’ll be? I just want to curl up and cry- we can’t take anymore increases our bills , mortgage everything has increased we have no spare money at all

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OwnGravityField · 07/11/2025 15:12

Swiftie1878 · 07/11/2025 14:42

I heard a stat yesterday that only 30% of people are net contributors to the state.
It’s quite shocking and clearly unsustainable.

Where was this? I thought it was about 48/52 split. It might be the same stat but taking children into account.

Either way, it’s a ludicrous situation. Uncle Tom Cobbly and his dog saying they need this, that and the other from people like me, people who are just trying to pay the damn mortgage and support their own children.

Bootsies · 07/11/2025 15:14

OnlyOnAFriday · 07/11/2025 11:55

I didn’t mention disabled people.

I think disabled people should be supported and if there was better funding available by having a healthier economy perhaps we wouldn’t have people who have a genuine need being kept on the breadline.

So who are all these people then who don't work (but could/should)???

Viviennemary · 07/11/2025 15:18

OldMaaa · 07/11/2025 12:56

That's labour in a nutshell. Fucking over actual productive members of society to pay for the non-productive ones. This system is broken.

I feel the same as you Op, it is incredibly depressing. We work so hard, and our quality of life is only getting worse. WTF is the point?

As always. Should have known better than to vote for them.

The Labour magic money tree = hard working long suffering tax payers.

Era · 07/11/2025 15:24

OwnGravityField · 07/11/2025 12:14

‘The only thing you can do is to adap your lifestyle’…….so that it emulates that of a Russian peasant circa 1910

Just trying to help the OP. Clearly doing these things is not like living as a Russian Peasant

Era · 07/11/2025 15:27

QforCucumber · 07/11/2025 12:34

I can't help but laugh at some of the previous suggestions such as 'move to free up 300k' @Wonderofwimbledon we're in a very similar position to you, there's nothing left to give anymore - we've lived in our house for almost 7 years now, but to downsize we'd actually 'lose' money (paid 230 for our small 4 bed, but now 3 beds in the area are at that price point and 4 beds sell for around 260) with the interest rate increases we'd be paying the same monthly anyway.

We have a 190k mortgage for the next 24 years (took it over 30 as I was pregnant at the time and about to go on SMP only maternity leave it made sense)

and then there's @Era, what about when you've already spent the last few years actually doing these things? when people say there's nothing left to give, that's usually what they mean.

some examples -
Have you adjusted your thermostat down one degree? Then encourage everyone to wear thicker socks/jumper etc. heating isn't on yet, and only comes on when the house dips below 15, it boosts to 17.5 which is fine in our new build

Are you heating the hot water for longer than is really needed. combi, and we've turned the temp down slightly

these 2 things make no difference when the tariff rates increase though - they just mean you spend the same rather than have to fund the increase

Have you checked the points on your reward cards etc - I have £12 on clubcard, will use it to take the kids out to the cinema on the run up to xmas.

Can you cancel kids activities/lessons/sport and do cheaper things instead? *our 2 only swim (council lessons) and do karate. Otherwise its afterschool wraparound which we need to enable us to work.

Can you buy things like school uniform etc in the second hand sales do this already for jumpers, the rest is supermarket

Can you grow some of your own food to make life easier next year? plums, strawberries, blueberries and cherries we grow - doesn't help feed a family of 4 year round when mince has added £3/kg to its costs in 6 weeks

Can you shift any financial products to get a cheaper rate e.g. look at insurance renewals etc always do this annually, still lucky to get a reduction on current costs

Do you have high value items like old tech/vinyl records/curtains/vintage clothes sitting in the loft (hurts me to say it but 90s is now vintage in clothing terms and very much in demand - some early iPhones and iPods and games consoles are in demand - old perfumes can give a good return) nothing, we completely cleared out when we moved

all of these things we could maybe find an extra £20 a month - but the kids wraparound care has just increased by £5 a week each, so already in the negative before that anyway. When essential rises are higher than the potential savings it feels so bleak.

DH is local authority so hardly any rises over the last few years, I'm private sector so have had some salary increases but still very single one seems to come alongside a higher expense than the increase allows. I had more disposable income in my 20s living alone and renting, going out every week, running a car etc (with zero benefits) than I do now earning 40k yet everyone told me it would get easier not harder!

I'm not sure why these suggestions are laughable - everything helps when you're spending more than you have coming in. Clearly some people will be doing things like this already but not everyone will.

My point was that you can't change the taxation system. You can only vote sensibly. You only have control over your personal habits/decisions.

Swiftie1878 · 07/11/2025 15:32

OwnGravityField · 07/11/2025 15:12

Where was this? I thought it was about 48/52 split. It might be the same stat but taking children into account.

Either way, it’s a ludicrous situation. Uncle Tom Cobbly and his dog saying they need this, that and the other from people like me, people who are just trying to pay the damn mortgage and support their own children.

Tbh, I do need to check it out - statistics, statistics and all that - but it was mentioned on the Sky News Press Preview last night.

anniegun · 07/11/2025 15:35

Scrap the triple lock and put NI on unearned income. That will be enough to fix it

bellabasset · 07/11/2025 15:37

My suspicion is that they will increase both the rate and scope of VAT.

Whowasthere · 07/11/2025 15:38

Wonderofwimbledon · 07/11/2025 15:12

I never said what tax bracket we are in in my OP , I think maybe people have assumed? No idea

Ah sorry op I thought you had said you weren't in the higher tax bracket. My mistake

quartile · 07/11/2025 15:43

Whowasthere · 07/11/2025 15:08

@Wonderofwimbledon if you aren't in the higher tax bracket as per your op you should be eligible for child benefit (in England) as it's £50k, definitely get a claim in

You now keep at least some child benefit if you both earn less than £80k, comfortably into the higher tax band

anniegun · 07/11/2025 15:44

TeletubbiesHaveCaughtTheRageVirus · 07/11/2025 09:10

I'll be really surprised if there are not some cuts to benefits too though. The markets have reacted favourably to hearing RR saying she will raise taxes. If she cuts costs too this will be another thumbs up from the markets. This means the UK will be viewed as taking steps to get back to financial viability and in turn the goverment cost to borrow will fall.

Lower interest rates on our borrowing would help RR greatly.

I think pensioners will be hit too by changes to NI and also don't forget lots of them pay tax as well on their final salary pensions so they will be caught up in the tax changes. Also if she changes council tax banding and introduces a property tax lots of them will be impacted by this. Only the poorest pensioners will escape the changes.

I'm in a weird position of not being a pensioner, not earning anything and not paying any tax just now (well except council tax, vat etc) so I don't have biased views or anything. I will be hit though by changes to pension relief and removing tax free lump sums etc as I approach the age I can start claiming my private pensions. Currently living on an inheritance which luckily I got before she tampered with that too. However she is messing up the economy. I worked up until very recently and was thinking about getting a new job - probably part-time but the thought of funding more benefits for others has put me right off. I have a private dentist and had to go to a private GP recently as couldn't get a NHS GP appointment despite trying. I have no faith in this goverment to use extra money raised wisely. If I saw her cutting benefits etc I would be more likely to look for a job to be honest. Not because I get benefits and would be impacted, but because I would feel taxes would be used better.

You dont work , live on an inheritance, but your priority is to cut benefits.

Blankscreen · 07/11/2025 15:51

It's hardly surprising they need to put taxes up but its the fact they told bare faced lies to be voted in.

This country is actually broken and for the first time in my life (aged 46) I want to move abroad.

They need to equalise dividend tax and capital gains tax with income tax. Why do they only ever seem to hit people actually working.

cottonwoolie · 07/11/2025 16:02

Scrap the triple lock and put NI on unearned income. That will be enough to fix it

Agree but the uproar over triple lock will be insane.

EasternStandard · 07/11/2025 16:05

bellabasset · 07/11/2025 15:37

My suspicion is that they will increase both the rate and scope of VAT.

That would kill the economy stone dead, it’s already struggling too

Whammyammy · 07/11/2025 16:14

0 tax increase surely? That's what labour promised before elected, surely they won't go back on their word.....🤣🤣

MidnightPatrol · 07/11/2025 16:17

Blankscreen · 07/11/2025 15:51

It's hardly surprising they need to put taxes up but its the fact they told bare faced lies to be voted in.

This country is actually broken and for the first time in my life (aged 46) I want to move abroad.

They need to equalise dividend tax and capital gains tax with income tax. Why do they only ever seem to hit people actually working.

How much do you think dividend tax is?

EasternStandard · 07/11/2025 16:19

Blankscreen · 07/11/2025 15:51

It's hardly surprising they need to put taxes up but its the fact they told bare faced lies to be voted in.

This country is actually broken and for the first time in my life (aged 46) I want to move abroad.

They need to equalise dividend tax and capital gains tax with income tax. Why do they only ever seem to hit people actually working.

People need to look at small SMEs when posting about dividend tax. They are necessary for jobs and growth.

SixSatellites · 07/11/2025 17:22

BeMellowAquaSquid · 06/11/2025 20:53

I think a rise is 100% going to happen my question is will it be a permanent thing or just temporary? I’ve just secured a job with a 25% payrise and I’ve put into the calculators this means an extra £150 a month tax for me if it goes up 2% for me it’s ridiculous. I am absolutely furious about the state of this country. We’ve cut back where we can and know that holidays etc are way out of the question for 18 months or so. I am so pissed that we can’t get dental or GP appointments, our local roads are overgrown with weeds and pot holes. It’s time they scrapped the 20+ % that goes in the civil service pension and I say this as someone married to someone who has done 35 years service. There’s so many ways this country could be better. I am glad my grandparents are no longer here to have to suffer the burdens of our living elderly.

Edited

I don't know where you live but I get same day GP appointments, my family have finally been offered NHS dentists, and there are temporary lights everywhere due to roads being fixed.
Honestly I think people exaggerate these things, as I can see improvements.
Social media is fuelling a lot of it.

BloominNora · 07/11/2025 17:24

QforCucumber · 07/11/2025 12:34

I can't help but laugh at some of the previous suggestions such as 'move to free up 300k' @Wonderofwimbledon we're in a very similar position to you, there's nothing left to give anymore - we've lived in our house for almost 7 years now, but to downsize we'd actually 'lose' money (paid 230 for our small 4 bed, but now 3 beds in the area are at that price point and 4 beds sell for around 260) with the interest rate increases we'd be paying the same monthly anyway.

We have a 190k mortgage for the next 24 years (took it over 30 as I was pregnant at the time and about to go on SMP only maternity leave it made sense)

and then there's @Era, what about when you've already spent the last few years actually doing these things? when people say there's nothing left to give, that's usually what they mean.

some examples -
Have you adjusted your thermostat down one degree? Then encourage everyone to wear thicker socks/jumper etc. heating isn't on yet, and only comes on when the house dips below 15, it boosts to 17.5 which is fine in our new build

Are you heating the hot water for longer than is really needed. combi, and we've turned the temp down slightly

these 2 things make no difference when the tariff rates increase though - they just mean you spend the same rather than have to fund the increase

Have you checked the points on your reward cards etc - I have £12 on clubcard, will use it to take the kids out to the cinema on the run up to xmas.

Can you cancel kids activities/lessons/sport and do cheaper things instead? *our 2 only swim (council lessons) and do karate. Otherwise its afterschool wraparound which we need to enable us to work.

Can you buy things like school uniform etc in the second hand sales do this already for jumpers, the rest is supermarket

Can you grow some of your own food to make life easier next year? plums, strawberries, blueberries and cherries we grow - doesn't help feed a family of 4 year round when mince has added £3/kg to its costs in 6 weeks

Can you shift any financial products to get a cheaper rate e.g. look at insurance renewals etc always do this annually, still lucky to get a reduction on current costs

Do you have high value items like old tech/vinyl records/curtains/vintage clothes sitting in the loft (hurts me to say it but 90s is now vintage in clothing terms and very much in demand - some early iPhones and iPods and games consoles are in demand - old perfumes can give a good return) nothing, we completely cleared out when we moved

all of these things we could maybe find an extra £20 a month - but the kids wraparound care has just increased by £5 a week each, so already in the negative before that anyway. When essential rises are higher than the potential savings it feels so bleak.

DH is local authority so hardly any rises over the last few years, I'm private sector so have had some salary increases but still very single one seems to come alongside a higher expense than the increase allows. I had more disposable income in my 20s living alone and renting, going out every week, running a car etc (with zero benefits) than I do now earning 40k yet everyone told me it would get easier not harder!

If your DH works for a local authority, they will have salary sacrifice schemes (pension and possibly annual leave buy back) which he can use to mitigate any tax rise so his take home won't be affected and he'll be paying more into his pension / getting more leave.

Same for you if your employer offers salary sacrifice.

RavenPie · 07/11/2025 17:30

MidnightPatrol · 07/11/2025 16:17

How much do you think dividend tax is?

Quite. I occasionally have enough to take dividends from a SME. I pay 33.75% on money that I have already paid 20% corporation tax on. If I take £10k in dividends from a12.5k profit I’m about £400 worse off than if I’d just paid myself £12.5k and paid tax at 40% on it. If I’m only taking the £500 allowance then I’m up by about £140.

It’s a bit academic atm because like 1/3 hospitality businesses we are running beneath profit - so no corporation tax, no extra income tax and no dividend tax. No extra employment, no investment, no expansion. I do, however, pay 20% VAT on turnover which equates to 110% tax on profits.

OnlyOnAFriday · 07/11/2025 17:31

Bootsies · 07/11/2025 15:14

So who are all these people then who don't work (but could/should)???

People who can’t get jobs due to the lack of them due to the economy being fucked

cottonwoolie · 07/11/2025 17:35

People who can’t get jobs due to the lack of them due to the economy being fucked

@OnlyOnAFriday

Unemployment figures are pretty much in line with average years aren't they? We do have a skills shortage but that's not the same thing.

BloominNora · 07/11/2025 17:41

EasternStandard · 07/11/2025 11:38

Why the eye roll? Have you seen the growth in out of work UC?

You do understand that the growth in out of work UC doesn't mean that the number of people out of work has increased though don't you?

The increase in UC numbers is due to the transfer of people from legacy benefits.

Economic activity in the 16-64 age group is falling and is down to 21.0% from 21.8% when Labour came to power and a high of 22.2% in July 2022.

Unemployment has risen very slightly because the people who were economically inactive are now seeking work.

The percentage of the population who are employed has remained pretty stable at 75%.

There are absutely not, by any discernible measure, huge swathes of new people claiming out of work benefits!

SixSatellites · 07/11/2025 17:47

northernballer · 07/11/2025 10:19

One thing i genuinely don't understand is how with all these tax rises combined with the cost of living is how anyone will have any disposable income and the economy will grow?

Our expenses have gone up massively recently as we have moved house so we've cut back and no longer have a cleaner, don't have my PT, I don't have any beauty treatments, we've stopped eating out etc and I save anything I have spare and the rest goes on bills.

This is no real hardship to me as these were luxuries, but if everyone stops spending as they can't afford it what happens to growth and people providing these services? Genuine question about the economics rather than the politics!

I thought spending has to come down, which helps interest rates come down, which ultimately means we can afford to spend again.
So tax rises would help people stop spending for a while. Not my strong point so I could be wrong.

OnlyOnAFriday · 07/11/2025 17:54

cottonwoolie · 07/11/2025 17:35

People who can’t get jobs due to the lack of them due to the economy being fucked

@OnlyOnAFriday

Unemployment figures are pretty much in line with average years aren't they? We do have a skills shortage but that's not the same thing.

It’s gone up from 4.1% last year to 4.8% currently and rising quickly. For 16-25 yos it’s over 14% from 12% last year.

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