Southport killer enabled by father

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The evidence given by the school and the social worker highlighted how Axel Rudakubana's deteriorating behaviour was blamed on everyone else by his father. Now the father's own evidence is damning. surely this man should be charged as an accessory to the murders which he had many chances to prevent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c20e8qd5d53t

Police often say it's a social care issue which is unhelpful. Agencies just point the finger at each other & when nothing happens as there's no money or resources it's the parents' fault. If you read the inquiry it's obvious how they were treated by the system.

Well he’s not alone is he? Huge culture now of brewing up dangerous, radicalised kids then blaming support services for not untangling the mess. Look at the number of ‘anxious teens’ living on devices and not going to school, with the parent tiptoeing around them as they spend their time looking at God knows what, with the parents then blaming CAMHS for not jumping in to save the day immediately.

Rudakubana's headteacher said she was accused of racial profiling, though, and was told to remove the words "sinister", "cold" and "calculating" from his education plan. The first time she met him, she asked him why he had brought a knife to his previous school, and he looked her in the eye and replied, "To use it." She said his parents were there and didn't even flinch when he said it.

And according to the mental health workers, the problem with this scenario was the word "sinister".

When did he get diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic? He's not in a secure hospital is he?

If he was I would agree with you-seeing as my brother is a paranoid schizophrenic so I actually do know. I don't agree when people blame the Nottingham killer's family so I understand the anger-but this wasn't an adult man his family had no control of. Especially not when his problematic behaviours first started.

Of course she was asked to remove this from his EHCP! This is absolutely NOT appropriate for an EHCP and not how parents who obviously loved their child and were desperate for support for him would want their child described. They were fighting for support, being blocked from getting appropriate support, being given unsafe advice. They were expected to put themselves and kids at harm by implementing unsafe strategies in order to implement methods that could escalate to violence and make their son's mental health even worse.

They needed support and compassion and above all to be allowed to live in safety. Not constant criticism of their parenting over several years. They were at their wit's end, terrified for their child, terrified for themselves.

We need to call a spade a spade. Obfuscating concerns by downplaying the language helps absolutely nobody. I couldn’t care less how their parents ‘wanted him described’ I care about these sinister individuals being identified for what they are and treated accordingly.

Frankly I couldn’t care less about the ‘rights’ of these budding psychopaths. I care about them being indefinitely sectioned and medicated to keep society safe.

An EHCP is not the place to make comments like this. That is not its purpose!

He didn’t need an EHCP.

He needed indefinite sectioning and a padded cell.

Services are on their knees. Everything has ground to a halt. Until the public recognize that that is the real issue then nothing will improve.

He needed both an EHCP and timely and appropriate mental health support.

'An EHCP is not the place to make comments like this. That is not its purpose!'

Does EHCP routinely contain a quality risk assessment (self AND others) in cases where risk has been identified? If not - perhaps it should?

There is a misconception that once all of young person's needs are identified and supported by others, things will settle, including aggression as well as risk.

I agree. If residential care had been offered to the parents for him, maybe they'd have taken up the offer. But families are left to cope alone as we don't want to fund proper care.

He was way beyond ‘mental health support’. There are no 100% effective therapies which prevent a psychopath from murdering little girls. He was a bad apple through and through and no amount of CBT and chats was going to change that.

"residential care offered"

I had to laugh at that. In my area, I know 2 families who've told their social workers that they aren't going to be at home when the child is dropped off from school, as they can't cope anymore.

Suddenly a massive amount of money is found to pay for PA hours, as there ARE no residential care spaces.

This is a really powerful watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0023db6

I listened to the publication proceedings yesterday. There were a lot of mistakes, absolutely, but his parents caused a lot of them by covering up for him, excusing him and lying for him to the various agencies. 🤷‍♀️

Having read all the evidence given by the parents they failed constantly not just on occasions and this was over many years.

Before you feel any sympathy for them, beyond the initial sympathy of having a psychotic son in the first place, read their own words.

They lie, they contradict themselves.

It is a criminal level of failure.

Listening to the points where he was intercepted by police and he made violent statements and they just took him back home.

No arrest or search, the latter would have shown he was preparing ricin.

So sad. Those poor little girls and families.

Pretty much.

I said this to an OP who was being abused on another thread: if you want help, just don't collect your child from school and tell the school to contact SS. You have to force SS's hand because otherwise you'll get absolutely no help - certainly not the help that you need.

ARs parents were left to cope alone with an extremely dangerous young man. I can't bring myself to judge them in those circumstances. Especially not when police and other agencies had all washed their hands of him - where else would his parents have left to turn?

That may be the case but there needs to be a place to cover this. He took in a sharpened hockey stick to school to attack a student.

Residential care costs a fortune. No CAMHS beds. Usually all that can be offered is medication. Social care have no money. Years of austerity and COVID means that services are on their knees.

ARs parents were left to cope alone with an extremely dangerous young man. I can't bring myself to judge them in those circumstances. Especially not when police and other agencies had all washed their hands of him - where else would his parents have left to turn?

Agreed @LVhandbagsatdawn

I got unbelievably cross at the simplistic headline of parents failing their moral duty.

They had to live with him day in, day out. They had to deal with his moods, his violence every flipping day.

I don't know how much my moral fibre would have been worn down over years for the sake of a slightly calmer home. Or how much I'd have given up, as no one who might be able to help was listening or acting.

That may well be the case BUT we have to have systems in place to deal with terrible parenting.

All of them failed, its very handy to blame the parents but the reality is, had Police, Schools, Social Services done or been able to do their jobs, this attack would never have happened.

Imho this isn't something that has been allowed to happen since Austerity, it stems from the closure of MH institutions back in the 80s and 90s, yes they were abusive in many cases but they also took very dangerous people out of society.

So you don’t have a source saying his parents were largely to blame?

You realise that’s misinformation?

What? They were not ‘desperate for support’. This is from a report on the enquiry:

“Fulford also found that Rudakubana’s parents bore “considerable blame for what occurred” by obstructing efforts by mental health and social services to intervene. The couple, especially Rudakubana’s father Alphonse, failed to “stand up” to their son’s behaviour and displayed “manipulative and harmful” attitudes towards the agencies involved in his care, he said.”

They ignored the increasing escalation.

What is your source?