Southport killer enabled by father

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The evidence given by the school and the social worker highlighted how Axel Rudakubana's deteriorating behaviour was blamed on everyone else by his father. Now the father's own evidence is damning. surely this man should be charged as an accessory to the murders which he had many chances to prevent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c20e8qd5d53t

If anyone's on the fence about having kids this a great advert to tell you not to bother.

It's disgusting too because the parents couldn't cope innocent children had to die. He also attacks prison officers . No point to his life.

Best thing for this freak if for someone to get at him in prison.

I bet the parents would be relieved.

Need to add to this - seems as tho' CAMHS were not made fully aware of his collection of weapons which obv would have compromised their assessment

I would usually defend this man, as PPs say he was in a difficult position, the service we need for DC with bad mental health are shit, he isn’t responsible for what his child did…

However.

He actively fought some of the interventions that were attempted, was threatened with arrest by the police because of his behaviour when they came to his house, and was angry Childline escalated a very serious safeguarding threat and claimed it was a breach of confidentiality.

There were many times this man made it harder for other people to intervene, it wasn’t just his own inaction.

The only slight excuse would be the trauma he had previously been through. None of the usual explanations fit, he wasn’t just afraid and inactive, he actively protected his son and prevented others taking appropriate action.

I understand from another account ?Sky that his father had been captured and tortured during the Rwandan genocide - not clear if he'd received any therapeutic intervention for this

I'd imagine that having his own son grow up up to be violent and intimidating to him would maybe trigger feelings of helplessness/inaction/passivity which are not uncommon in victims of torture

And entrench the idea that the only person AR was likely to kill was him

This.

I worked in child protection for a while and to be honest we saw a lot of parents like him: not angry or abusive but completely ineffective as a parent, lacking either warmth or boundaries and exerting generally poor judgement. He sounds like he's living on another planet at times, and doesn't sound capable of meaningful reflection.

Accessory to murder would be going too far though. He didn't know what his son was planning to do.

I feel sorry for him.

TBH every since the trial of the Jamie Boulger I have felt that parents should be liable along side their criminal children. In that case the killers were damaged and neglected, often seen wandering the streets in the early hours while their parents were getting drunk in the pub.

At the risk of sounding like a far right Mary Whitehouse, I think every parent should be legally responsible for the conduct of their under 18 unless they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they fought for their children, engaged with CAMHS/Social Services/school to try and support them.

So do l. How can you ever live with that?

His father was a victim of torture - I'd think that was fairly unusual in your caseload?

I can't believe the father gave the son a £40 reward for simply taking a. Shower!

And he found ricin under his bed a whole week before the attack...

You don’t have ND dc then.

Well that would do a lot to make the birth rate plummet. Useful way to ensure immigration soars I suppose. And then we'd have all these imported people with their torture histories or whatever else in background.

While we're at it, let's make people responsible for crimes their spouse commit, or teachers responsible for the crimes pupils did. Children could be responsible for crimes the parents did. Truly medieval perspective, bring it on.

AR’s initial consultant psychiatrist from alder hey said she found the father so obstructive and intimidating she passed the case over to another, male psychiatrist. Said that’s the only time in her career she’s felt the need to do that. He also obstructed the social workers, making complaints about confidentiality breaches when they shared information.

I think that’s quite telling.

Sorry - not seeing the link between plummeting birthrates and increased immigration - I’m just suggesting that the legal responsibility that exists for all parents in every other area of life is extended to them actively parenting their problem children. Unless you feel that the onerousness of actually having to parent one’s children means there will be less need for contraceptives?

No bloody idea how that extends to spouses and teachers… who are NOT legally responsible for the actions of other peoples children or those of other adults?

Source:

news.sky.com/story/southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-assessed-as-posing-no-risk-to-others-six-days-before-attack-13454111

Sounds like North Korea.

Torture, yes. Abusive and chaotic childhoods themselves, no.

Nothing to do with the father/family.

What would the Police have done if they'd reported him? for what? the Police didn't even act promptly when there were reports of knifeman in Peterborough, hence the force reporting its self to the 'conduct authority.

I doubt very much it even occurred to the family he would carry out such crimes.

I also doubt if this 17yo had been a white kid from a M/C family, we'd have even got this thread.

I feel chills every time I hear about the Southport killings. I'm not trying to make it about me and my heart aches for the families of the victims but my son has multiple Prevent referrals & I remember twice trying to bribe him to shower. To think that any quiet teenage boy with a lot of issues could do this is sickening.

and the parents should have 100% called the police earlier. I'm not even sure how the machete arrived at their house without age verification/ID

Being frightened of your child is one thing. Something for which any parent must have great sympathy- there but for the grace of God go I etc.

Knowing your frightening child - the child YOU find frightening - has bought a machete and bow and arrow and NOT reporting this to the police is a completely different thing.

Yes, I think the parents are complicit in a way that mental health services were not. The KNEW he was frightening and dangerous and had access to weapons; whereas mental health services were negligent in NOT knowing this.

I doubt there is any offence with which the parents can be charged- but if there possibly is, I hope they are charged, and convicted. They have behaved in a truly contemptible way and death and suffering have resulted.

I completely agree with this. There is no help for parents of abusive children. They don't even help or think about removing the abusive child when it impacts upon siblings. The child they talk about taking away is the non-violent one.
I feel sorry for the parents and family here. It is agony living in fear of your child. They take over the whole house, control what is said/watched on tv. You always worry that they might kick off, smash the house up or hurt you or one of their siblings. At the same time you are often blamed for everything and you want to protect them.

I found it incredible how posters were falling over themselves to defend the killer's parents. Compared to the calling for blood towards the single mum whose son had stupidly joined the riots. If you read the whole thing, including how the abuse towards the kiler's brother was hidden from services. How evasive and aggressive the parents were at times.

I do think the father made some serious errors in judgement. Scared of his son, willfully blind to how dangerous he was becoming. I really feel sorry for the brother. And there were times the father was pushing back strongly against any intervention by external services.

That said, charging as accessory to murder makes no sense. You'd need intent to commit GBH at least or if you're thinking of the old interpretation of the joint enterprise law, even then what's the first crime that they acted together on? Maybe neglect or manslaughter somehow. Perhaps Parliament would consider some sanction for parents whose children go on to commit violent crimes and are proven to have had some knowledge of weapons and so on. Just seems really difficult to enforce, let alone reasonably.

And then there's the posters ridiculing you/telling you to parent your abusive child 😢