Southport killer enabled by father

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The evidence given by the school and the social worker highlighted how Axel Rudakubana's deteriorating behaviour was blamed on everyone else by his father. Now the father's own evidence is damning. surely this man should be charged as an accessory to the murders which he had many chances to prevent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c20e8qd5d53t

I have to agree that the evidence he is providing is damning. I have to wonder if he had told the police about the knives that the Southport killing spree wouldn't have happened. I do suspect though that it may have just delayed him.

Hindsight is a great thing and from what I have read, he was very afraid of his son.

From what has been said, the father was of the impression that if he was to hurt anybody it would have been him. It seems like the family were absolutely terrified of him and didn’t know what to do. Hindsight is 20/20, and I’m sure if the father had realised he was going to kill somebody other than him (which sadly he seemed to accept his son would eventually hurt him), he would have contacted the police. I feel sorry for the family and the father. Don’t forget CAMHS were contacted and did nothing, Prevent were contacted and did nothing. There is a whole load of people who could have done something but didn’t, this isn’t on a terrified father who knew one day he would be murdered by his son.

I don't think he should be charged.

It almost sounds like an abusive relationship where he was scared of his son and thought only he would get hurt.

I feel sorry for him.

There have been plenty of posters here who have said they are scared of their children. They certainly haven't all reported them to the police. How many have reported their children's drugs habits? Hindsight truly is wonderful

The man sounded scared out of his wits. Terrified of his own son.

Plenty of people and agencies were informed. No one did anything. It’s not just down to him.

Loads of families out there with weird kids that age that do nothing and the child just grows out of it, the family would of had no idea he was capable of that I mean how often does such a thing happen? No blaming on anyone else he was old enough to know exactly what he was doing some of us were parents younger than he was when he did it. He is the perfect argument for the death penalty to be brought back

It really does seem like the parents had absolutely no control over his increasingly violent behaviour and did enable him - giving him money to buy knives online, letting him freely access disturbing stuff on the internet at home.

The father in particular was always pushing back and complaining against the school and mental health services when they tried to impose very reasonable measures eg to keep other pupils safe. It seems the dad even complained about the ChildLine referral and tried to get the person who made it fired - as if everyone was persecuting his son rather than trying to stop a future tragedy caused by the son’s escalating obsession with knives. Really hideous reading the details there were so many chances for this to go differently if the family had engaged and accepted the reality

How many times have there been posts on here from people saying they would never report their child to the police?
Matthew 7, 1-15.

This isn’t on the parents. I feel so sad for this family as well as the families of the victims.

Sounds like all the parents that come on here absolutely terrified of their children and their violent behaviour. Unsure why you think there are grounds to charge him as an accessory to murder ?

Alder Hey CAMHS discharged him 6 days before the attack as 'not a risk'

I sit on Px Panels and I remember one young man of around 13 being in front of us after many many incidents. His parents blamed everyone other than his son and accused us of all sorts, especially racism. His father said he never went anywhere other than home and the mosque while he sat there and smirked.
The boy was heavily involved with gangs and was a bloody nightmare - he had been accused of having a knife at school but refused to be searched, while they wre waiting for The Police his father arrived and said he would search his son. He took the knife and hid it in his own pocket (seen by The Head) and then declared there was no knife and the school was "racist"
The Deputy Head said he would not be surprised if that boy did stab someone one day.
I get wanting to protect your son but there should be limits

That is not the same as having the intention to assist in murder so no he can’t be charged as an accessory.

Both things can be true- unhelpful, racist/persecutory systems and a terrified father. Not to mention the hangover of living through genocide.

Police had arrested him aged 13 when carrying a knife on a bus

CAHMS are so shit. They discharged my dd 3 days before she seriously self harmed.

She got a pretty certificate for attending though.

He didn't "give him money to buy knives". He gave him an allowance just like many other parents.

Twisting the facts isn't helpful and could be defamatory.

No l don’t think they knew he was accessing stuff on the internet either.

He was 17 years old. It’s a bit hard to police the internet at that age. Especially if you are terrified of someone.

If the external agencies did nothing then how on earth was the Father meant to do something. Those agencies are more responsible than The Dad here. Just like the horrendous situation with the 3 people slain in Nottingham.

What a load of rubbish absolute rubbish. The father reported the son to the police numerous times. Enter the school they did nothing well virtually nothing.

if the dad had reported the son to the police for ordering a knife or machete what would the police have done? Obviously more Prevent type referrals. But they wouldn’t have arrested him, wouldn’t have locked him up. Even if someone in authority had thought he was a potential danger I still doubt anything could have been done until sadly he’s committed a crime. People don’t get any meaningful intervention or support anymore. I think he’s been declared sane hasn’t he? So not like they’d even have been able to section him.

If he had gone through the Prevent system I'm not sure what else the father could have done. The police would just have done another Prevent referal.

I think violence from Children to Parents needs to be taken seriously as a form of Domestic Violence

If sharing the facts about what the dad is saying during this enquiry is ‘defaming’ I am baffled tbh. Why would you want to defend what he did? His repeated cowardice to call the police when he knew his son was getting dangerous is growing more and more obvious. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c20e8qd5d53t?post=asset%3A6ec38030-82d7-4cd0-8d72-05139537e8d3#post

He received a delivery of a machete the son ordered - hid it and told nobody, admits if he had opened it and fully knew what was inside he would have had to tell the police - so he acts as if he didn’t know. Then another package arrived from ‘knife warehouse’ and he claims he didn’t know what was in it, brought it into the house, son opens it and hides it under his bed. Dad admits he saw a bow and arrow under the sons bed. Dad found a container of what turned out to be poison-making ingredients under the sons bed, emptied it into the toilet and said nothing to anyone… blindly determined to see no evil

On the day of the murders, when the dad had just the previous week paid off a taxi driver not to take his son to his previous school (presumably to carry out a murderous attack) the dad then didn’t call the police when his son left the house again this time on foot carrying a knife. It was the first time the son had left the house in over a year. The dad didn’t even attempt to try to follow after him on his own and find him to persuade him to come home. What the ACTUAL fuck

My grandfather had a collection of machetes and swords loads of people collect weapons and don’t go out and murder three innocent girls. How was the dad meant to know just because he left the house for the first time in a year that it meant he was going to do such a thing? I mean he was 17 not 7 do you follow your 17 year old everywhere? Some of us had our own children younger than that. Loads of families have kids that are weird at that age the parents do nothing and 99% of them grow out of it. The actual killer is the one responsible and is the reason we need the death penalty back no use absconding blame on to other people