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Partner doesn't help when our children are being a handful

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YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 11:47

Feeling unsupported by my partner at the moment and want to gauge whether that's fair or if I'm being a perimenopausal witch.

I had a horrible bedtime with the kids last night that resulted in me losing my temper and shouting at them both to get into bed. I don't have many bedtimes like that with them but they had been hard work during bath time (constant screaming/shrieking, which they do a lot in the morning too. Constant mucking about/winding each other up while trying to do teeth, PJs on, reading etc). We always read but I actually threw the towel in last night as it was pointless. Admittedly I am perimenopausal and I don't have the patience that I used to but I think even if I wasn't I would have found last night hard.

While all of this was going on my partner who had just finished work (at home) was listening to it going on and stayed fully out of things. I work 3 nights a week and he does those bedtimes, so I understand that he doesn't get involved in bedtime when I'm home as he wants a break. But they were being awful and I expected him to come and help tackle what was going on behaviourly. I wasn't expecting him to help out with getting them ready. Instead he just stays in another room and listens to me getting more and more exasperated with them until I end up shouting at them.

For background he works from home 5 days a week officially from 9am - 7pm, but he spends most of the morning checking emails/taking very long comfort breaks/uninterrupted shower/walking the dog. He does do the kids packed lunches as I insisted he help with something after an argument but this is slowly getting delegated to the kids.

I lay out uniform, cook everyone breakfast, chase everyone to get ready, get ready myself etc. My 3 minute shower is always interrupted and for the 5 minutes that I do my makeup in my room the kids come into my bedroom shrieking and screaming. They are playing for the most part, but I could scream myself (and sometimes do) as it's the only time I have to myself and they decide to join me and scream. I often order them out of my bedroom but they continue shrieking somewhere else/come back in and my partner is usually engaged in one of his morning activities.

I don't mind doing most of the morning on my own - I actually find it easier, but what I do struggle with is his lack of support. Again if the kids are playing up in the morning he doesn't back me up - he can hear that I've asked them 6 times to put their socks on/brush teeth/get dressed etc. If he does get involved it will be a comment like "Put your socks on or your Mum will get angry". If the roles were reversed I'd say something like "Put your socks on because you've got school in 10 minutes and Daddy's asked you 6 times already."

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YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:15

BaconCheeses · 05/11/2025 11:57

How old are your kidd that they are simultaneously acting like toddlers and needing to be put to bed but packing their own lunches?

5 & 8 - daughter is very capable of making her own lunch but sometimes ends up doing brother's too.

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YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:19

NET145 · 05/11/2025 12:08

They are his children he should be supportive end of!

That's my opinion too!

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Grinsta · 05/11/2025 12:24

Ok so when you specifically asked him for help, in the moment last night, he said no? Or you didn't ask because you have this conversation a million times and he has made it clear that he will never help, but you expected him to spontaneously offer anyway? There is a communication or expectation gap somewhere.

I suspect you have a tough gig parenting with this man and this is really more about your whole set up than just last night.

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:26

goforadrive · 05/11/2025 12:11

Mine do as well. They don’t apart; DD is quietly playing with toys as I type this. Together they do shriek and screech and scream. It does happen.

Problem with posts like this is that you always get people picking at little things that you weren’t posting about, like critiquing your shower or daring to put an egg on to boil which annoys me.

YANBU @YesIWillHaveaGin … I have to say though that when DH was WFH quite a lot after Covid I found it so, so stressful. It’s much easier when he’s in the office, it just is. DH being there but not there seems to stress us all out.

Thanks @goforadrive - ha ha yes, it wasn't really about an egg :)

I really wish my partner would go into the office :) It used to happen once a week and it makes such a difference. I appreciate coming straight out of his office into a tricky bedtime is stressful for him, but I wouldn't stay in another room if I heard them misbehaving majorly.

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ShodAndShadySenators · 05/11/2025 12:27

It's like your partner has divvied up parenting to be either your day or his day. We never did parenting like this, we were always both on duty all the time as a team.

Your partner's method of dealing with playing up also is irritating, using the threat of you getting angry rather than telling them the behaviour he wants to see. I wouldn't be happy with that. It's like those parents whose children are misbehaving in shops who say "You better not do X thing or the shop lady will be angry with you!"

He needs to step up. Parenting is best done pulling together as a team with a common aim. Children need consistent rules and parents as a united front to be most effective. And focus on sorting out that bloody screaming, it just winds everybody up and your neighbours probably hate you.

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:30

Grinsta · 05/11/2025 12:24

Ok so when you specifically asked him for help, in the moment last night, he said no? Or you didn't ask because you have this conversation a million times and he has made it clear that he will never help, but you expected him to spontaneously offer anyway? There is a communication or expectation gap somewhere.

I suspect you have a tough gig parenting with this man and this is really more about your whole set up than just last night.

Edited

He said "over to you" last night and when I brought it up this morning it resulted in an argument and him basically saying it's for you to deal with. Posted on here as I just needed another perspective. And yes it's definitely more about our whole set up and not just last night.

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Sartre · 05/11/2025 12:30

Sorry, just kind of laughing at him feigning help by doing lunchboxes (which is a 2 minute job anyway) but now delegating the task to your 8 year old who does both!

He’s a bit useless isn’t he? But you’re letting him get away with it. He isn’t much of a parent or husband as it stands, he’s acting like a single man with noisy lodgers.

outerspacepotato · 05/11/2025 12:31

You work 20 hours a week, your kids are in school, but you only get 3 minutes to shower?

Time management needed.

Your husband is working 50 hours to your 20. You say he showers and does dog walks while he works. So take off an hour a day. He's still working double your hours.

When the kids are screaming and out of control, go ask him for help.

I think the two of you need to sit down and have a talk. He seems to think he only parents on certain days and that's not going to work unless you guys split up.

Sillysoggyspaniel · 05/11/2025 12:33

outerspacepotato · 05/11/2025 12:31

You work 20 hours a week, your kids are in school, but you only get 3 minutes to shower?

Time management needed.

Your husband is working 50 hours to your 20. You say he showers and does dog walks while he works. So take off an hour a day. He's still working double your hours.

When the kids are screaming and out of control, go ask him for help.

I think the two of you need to sit down and have a talk. He seems to think he only parents on certain days and that's not going to work unless you guys split up.

Yeah it does sound like he feels that he is contributing a lot more (especially as the expectation is that he's also on scream management while you spend thirty mins cooking breakfast and doing make up), and this is showing as him refusing to help out more at bedtime when he feels he's worked a lot more hours and already done his bedtimes. There are a lot of posts on here about men needing to find their own with with managing their kids - maybe he feels the same.

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:35

ShodAndShadySenators · 05/11/2025 12:27

It's like your partner has divvied up parenting to be either your day or his day. We never did parenting like this, we were always both on duty all the time as a team.

Your partner's method of dealing with playing up also is irritating, using the threat of you getting angry rather than telling them the behaviour he wants to see. I wouldn't be happy with that. It's like those parents whose children are misbehaving in shops who say "You better not do X thing or the shop lady will be angry with you!"

He needs to step up. Parenting is best done pulling together as a team with a common aim. Children need consistent rules and parents as a united front to be most effective. And focus on sorting out that bloody screaming, it just winds everybody up and your neighbours probably hate you.

Luckily we're not attached to anyone. If we were they would definitely have complained by now.

I absolutely want to parent as a team but it doesn't always happen. Thanks to those who have given practical advice - I'm going to have a think about the best way to tackle the screaming x

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YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:42

outerspacepotato · 05/11/2025 12:31

You work 20 hours a week, your kids are in school, but you only get 3 minutes to shower?

Time management needed.

Your husband is working 50 hours to your 20. You say he showers and does dog walks while he works. So take off an hour a day. He's still working double your hours.

When the kids are screaming and out of control, go ask him for help.

I think the two of you need to sit down and have a talk. He seems to think he only parents on certain days and that's not going to work unless you guys split up.

I do bring it up with him but it's not always a reasonable conversation.

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YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:46

outerspacepotato · 05/11/2025 12:31

You work 20 hours a week, your kids are in school, but you only get 3 minutes to shower?

Time management needed.

Your husband is working 50 hours to your 20. You say he showers and does dog walks while he works. So take off an hour a day. He's still working double your hours.

When the kids are screaming and out of control, go ask him for help.

I think the two of you need to sit down and have a talk. He seems to think he only parents on certain days and that's not going to work unless you guys split up.

3 min shower isn't the problem - I just get on with it quickly as I do spend a chunk of time sorting breakfast, which I choose to do. Yes I work 20 paid hours, but also do the lion's share of childcare. He already grumbles about me being at work. But would also grumble if I wasn't at work...!

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YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:50

Sillysoggyspaniel · 05/11/2025 12:33

Yeah it does sound like he feels that he is contributing a lot more (especially as the expectation is that he's also on scream management while you spend thirty mins cooking breakfast and doing make up), and this is showing as him refusing to help out more at bedtime when he feels he's worked a lot more hours and already done his bedtimes. There are a lot of posts on here about men needing to find their own with with managing their kids - maybe he feels the same.

I only expect scream management for the 5 minutes I'm brushing my hair and putting foundation on. It is literally the only time I'm on my own in the morning/not sorting someone else out.

He definitely works longer paid hours but we're all working hard at this end. I don't expect him to help out with bedtime - just the really bad behviour!

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outerspacepotato · 05/11/2025 12:55

Whatever you do, don't quit your job. If he can't or won't have a reasonable discussion about divvying up parenting, you've got relationship issues.

Would he go to couples therapy? Communication sounds like a big issue in your relationship.

Would he rather co-parent apart? Serious question.

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 13:02

outerspacepotato · 05/11/2025 12:55

Whatever you do, don't quit your job. If he can't or won't have a reasonable discussion about divvying up parenting, you've got relationship issues.

Would he go to couples therapy? Communication sounds like a big issue in your relationship.

Would he rather co-parent apart? Serious question.

I have no intention of quitting my job - I'm also trying to get back my old (better paying) job. I would have done so anyway but I'm well aware that we have issues.

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Dontjumptoconclusions · 05/11/2025 13:02

I understand that he considers himself 'off duty' during these times. However, he's still a full-time parent; he doesn't get to wash his hands of the kids. He's on 'standby' not off duty.

When my kids are acting smart, DH will straight away come into the room and reiterate exactly what I have said, tell everyone to sort out their tone, and listen. It doesn't take 30 secs, but it restores order somewhat. Or if we are running late or need a bit of a hand he will just tick off something in the list by tiding up around us or put out uniforms or whatever and is just one less thing for me to do. It's not much and not time consuming and at least I feel supported.

OP - why don't you be more specific for what exactly he needs to do. Have a chat when it's calm and agree that when you call him over, he needs to help restore order. It's not about coming in to do another shift that he feels so hard done by. The expectation that he either has a word with the kids, or muck in with a small task to move things along. It won't take ages of his time. I can't imagine someone just sitting there watching their OH struggle.

How does the bedtime go on his days?

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 13:09

Dontjumptoconclusions · 05/11/2025 13:02

I understand that he considers himself 'off duty' during these times. However, he's still a full-time parent; he doesn't get to wash his hands of the kids. He's on 'standby' not off duty.

When my kids are acting smart, DH will straight away come into the room and reiterate exactly what I have said, tell everyone to sort out their tone, and listen. It doesn't take 30 secs, but it restores order somewhat. Or if we are running late or need a bit of a hand he will just tick off something in the list by tiding up around us or put out uniforms or whatever and is just one less thing for me to do. It's not much and not time consuming and at least I feel supported.

OP - why don't you be more specific for what exactly he needs to do. Have a chat when it's calm and agree that when you call him over, he needs to help restore order. It's not about coming in to do another shift that he feels so hard done by. The expectation that he either has a word with the kids, or muck in with a small task to move things along. It won't take ages of his time. I can't imagine someone just sitting there watching their OH struggle.

How does the bedtime go on his days?

Thank you @Dontjumptoconclusions great advice xx I will have a chat with him about it - that's exactly what I want him to do. Not do another shift, just to have a word with them when they're being hard work xx

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Ablondiebutagoody · 05/11/2025 13:11

I would hate it if my partner thought that I couldn't handle bathtime and stepped in like some kind of hero.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 05/11/2025 13:14

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 12:42

I do bring it up with him but it's not always a reasonable conversation.

In what way? Does he not engage?

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 13:21

ForZanyAquaViewer · 05/11/2025 13:14

In what way? Does he not engage?

He tends to disengage or explode.

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Bumblenums · 05/11/2025 13:23

OP I find the phrase 'ffs get up off your backside and help me' works usually - its not like i cant handle the kids on my own, it's that i shouldn't have to if he is sitting doing f all!

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 13:24

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/11/2025 13:11

I would hate it if my partner thought that I couldn't handle bathtime and stepped in like some kind of hero.

Not looking for a hero, just back up. I get that some people might feel undermined in that situation if their partner stepped in and took over but I'm not after that. I'm after teamwork and being supportive of each other.

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Dontjumptoconclusions · 05/11/2025 13:25

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/11/2025 13:11

I would hate it if my partner thought that I couldn't handle bathtime and stepped in like some kind of hero.

Yes, it's much better just to leave the other parent to it and let them struggle without any support. 🙄

KimTheresPeopleThatAreDying · 05/11/2025 13:26

I do have some sympathy, but equally if you work 4 hours a day in the week and your kids are in school I’m not sure quite why you’re martyring yourself by only having a 3 minute shower. If I was working 50 hours a week to my partner’s 20 then yes, I’d expect them to do more childcare.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 05/11/2025 13:27

YesIWillHaveaGin · 05/11/2025 13:21

He tends to disengage or explode.

Are you comfortable sharing more about how he ‘explodes’?

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