New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

[Muffinmam]

Last night an episode of 60 Minutes (Australia) aired and an allegation was
made that it wasn’t just girls who were trafficked to Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor by Ghislane and Epstein - there were also young boys.

I’ve included the link below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-9SfptZlU&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

This allegation never made it into the book because the writer never had a second witness to concur. However, he revealed it in the 60 Minutes interview last night and 60 Minutes aired what is a defamatory allegation - which makes me think that 60 Minutes felt confident it was true (otherwise their lawyers would have killed the story). It was a very short reference but British Police need to interview Ghislane as to Andrew’s other victims.

Further, AIBU to think that the Royal Protection officers should be made to answer questions as to criminality involving Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor?

Also, how can Beatrice & Eugenie still support their disgusting father after everything we know? Do they not care about their own children? Particularly Beatrice’s young step son. Hopefully Andrew is not allowed anywhere near this boy.

“Am I the only one that thinks that Charles’s actions are because his hand has been forced?”

Absolutely this

Lord Mountbatten was named by his victims who were in residential care in Kincora Boys Home in Belfast. Nothing was ever done about him.
Editing to say he was dead by the time they were able to name him but there was a child abuse ring being run in that boys' home and he was a regular visitor.

For those saying their opinions of the late queen have changed , remember we are talking about a women who was in her late 90s and lived a life where men were privileged by status , money , and wives turning blind eyes if they dailled with titled ladies or even staff . She lived in a different world and a different time .
Even paedophiles have family visits in prisons .

Poor Beatrice looks frail and like the whole world's problems are on her shoulders.
I feel sorry for the sisters. They must be so embarrassed

The key word here is "if". As I say, if you haven't been in their position, you can't possibly know for certain what you'd do. It shakes the foundation of everything your family and life is built on. It isn't a simple "you've done this so I'm doing this" - there's an awful lot of deconstructing, and consequences to walking away, and fear.

I think there is a heck of a lot of stuff being kept pretty quiet.

Sling lots of mud at Andrew while keeping others out the hot seat.

I want to know what else is being covered up.

Weinstein, Epstein, and Maxwell all together at Bea's party, at Andrew's invitation..so, so gross. Three of the biggest sexual predators of our times.

The huge question is, of course, whether he knew what they were up to. Was he just a useful idiot to them, using royalty to provide a respectable veneer? Did he think VG was there of her own free will and glad to make lots of money?

Or was he a full part of a ring of sex traffickers who preyed on the young and had full knowledge of exactly what was going on?

That's the million-dollar question.

I'm not encouraged by the "Let's play together some more soon." I knew a swinger once - basically liked orgies, although with consenting adults - and he used that same euphemism - to "play."🤢

No, from what I understand Ms Oh (sorry but I couldn’t hear her first name) hasn’t won a lawsuit and not won $7.5 million, but it was found she did have grounds to take Virginia to court for that amount (I think the amount was mentioned. At any rate, Morgan said ‘litigation is ongoing.’ I can’t work out if she’s proceeding with this or not. I don’t think she knows as yet.

I’m not surprised some of these girls are angry with each other or feel betrayed by each other. I think they would have felt besieged on all sides.

I don’t doubt she’s a credible victim. She is at pains to point this out here. Which feels like it’s in response to not being believed by people. Because still, after all this time, people have trouble believing these women. I read that Virginia’s testimony was used in the case against Maxwell so prosecutors thought Virginia was credible also.

That's true, but she could have ordered Charles and William and the staff to do all the necessities.

I wonder how Prince Philip would have reacted to all this if he'd been alive and it had all happened when he was a younger man. He always struck me as basically decent and upstanding. Like the Queen. God only knows how they managed to have a son like Andrew - none of his siblings are sexual weirdos like him, either!

Oh yes, that's a really good point about the Woking Pizza Express thing. Why has no one ever come forward who was at said party?

That theory makes perfect sense to me. Someone somewhere is throwing mud to keep someone else out the spotlight.

Or at least thats how it feels to me.

It was the Israeli PM I think

Ohh, I remember that now. Yes, it's definitely suspicious that LM was a regular visitor to a place that was later proven to have a child abuse ring. 🤢 We also have to remember that men like LM were very often abused as young children at boarding schools, like age 8 and under, and that it might have set the stage for some to react by becoming abusers themselves.

Perhaps you should reconsider the type of publications that you read, it sounds like you’re used to the tabloids.

It’s very clear that you’re entirely ignorant of the early work into Epstein by investigative journalists such as Julie K Brown, the Miami Herald, and the early documentaries, or you would be aware that there are indeed witnesses to what went on in those properties. Quite apart from the numerous women who have now spoken out and actually gone to court.

Do some research and then come back and have a conversation.

It’s not mud if it’s true.

The royal family cannot be seen to be including E&B in their official family appearances any longer. The whole family needs to vanish from public life. Eugenie and Beatrice should hand in their titles, it would be good for their pr and credibility. About the 18th birthday party, it was probably a condition put on Andrew and Sarah to keep the cash flowing as JE and cohort wanted access to the RF. I must say William and Kate should watch this scandal very carefully and put all the safeguards in to prevent such misuse of royal titles and privileges when they and their dc move up the ranks. I do think however that Catherine seems eternally sensible and the Middleton family very grounded and proper so hopefully their reign will be without any sleaze.

I do wonder of Beatrice and Eugenie will do the right thing and give up on their titles.

I still unsure as to whether the queen knew the full extent. Do mothers know when their son is a wrong un normally? No. They don't 😞

I cannot imagine what they're going through. They probably love their dad. They must feel so confused and let down - by BOTH parents. Many of us have (or have had) parents that we feel able to look up to in some way, people we feel we can trust...they don't have that. They must feel very alone. But I suppose maybe it's always been that way for them, with those two as parents. I suspect their real stable, parent-like figures were the Queen and Prince Philip.

I hope Edward and Sophie are there for them. They seem stable and nice. A bit younger and warmer than Princess Anne, and Charles and William are beset by their own stress and troubles, so probably can't be there for them that much - especially as they're the ones who de-princed their dad.

I bet Beatrice and Eugenie would give up everything they have if they could swap it for good parents.

Exactly, interestingly I don't think any staff have come forward remembering it either - during my brief spell in retail I served Mick Fleetwood, literally 30 seconds at the till, remember it clearly - you remember famous faces.

So it seems really odd no one at Pizza Express remembering not only a prince but princesses.

My question always is - what did Epstein get out of all this procurement and parties where rich, famous, political and financial "names" gathered in the one place? Was he a deeply placed spy or something? Did he charge for these services or was he blackmailing the lot of them and getting State secrets? Always puzzled me.

As for A. Boys or girls, it doesn't matter - it was reprehensible.

A is the sacrificial lamb, but rightly so. He's obviously not as well protected as the rest of the disgusting customers.

You do remember - I sold a pair of tights to Sheila Hancock once and have never forgotten it!

I dare say there is a ton of sordid stuff being kept very quiet - especially if it involves rich and powerful people, whether American or others.

This, you've expressed it perfectly, couldn't work out why this made me so uncomfortable. What's the difference between raping trafficked girls vs boys? Is it homophobia or misogyny?

Hes pretty much fair game now for any allegations that the press decide to throw at him.

If ABW is bisexual it would have been impossible to live this life. Back in 1999 I shared a taxi with a journalist who told me this and a story about another sibling who was gay but had gone back in the closet.
I worked in Harrods in the 80/90s and there was a big prostitution ring going on then looking for pretty girls for parties. Al Fayed and others we were told to keep away from. Luckily I was married and very tall so didn't get forced into anything.
I have never spoken out due to the risk to my family. I left London when I had my children.
I met Sarah Fergusson on a number of occasions and she seemed delightful. I do feel sorry for his daughters. This is disgusting and embarrassing. I don't think I could be around a family member who is alledged to have committed sex crimes. These ladies need to cut him loose. He wouldn't be at my Christmas table.