New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

[Muffinmam]

Last night an episode of 60 Minutes (Australia) aired and an allegation was
made that it wasn’t just girls who were trafficked to Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor by Ghislane and Epstein - there were also young boys.

I’ve included the link below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-9SfptZlU&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

This allegation never made it into the book because the writer never had a second witness to concur. However, he revealed it in the 60 Minutes interview last night and 60 Minutes aired what is a defamatory allegation - which makes me think that 60 Minutes felt confident it was true (otherwise their lawyers would have killed the story). It was a very short reference but British Police need to interview Ghislane as to Andrew’s other victims.

Further, AIBU to think that the Royal Protection officers should be made to answer questions as to criminality involving Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor?

Also, how can Beatrice & Eugenie still support their disgusting father after everything we know? Do they not care about their own children? Particularly Beatrice’s young step son. Hopefully Andrew is not allowed anywhere near this boy.

There were various super injunctions, stories papers wouldn’t run as the public wouldn’t believe them about it as they were “a national treasure” so people would stop buying the paper and the risk was too great/evidence too vague.

some things were printed in Ireland - Michael Owen cheating on his wife very early in their marriage. Gary Lineker being a total letch over all the walkers crisp advert models. It was fascinating media law course run by the daily mail group (back when I was a trained journalist… I’m in PR now).

Didn't Diana have at least one affair, James Hewitt springs to mind and she was selected to marry Charles. Andrew Double Barrel was seeing other women soon after his marriage to Fergie according to the new biography. The current genertion may well be different .

Penny knatchbull

Gina Ford

Just testing.

No, there were two mentioned: Ehud Barak ( Israeli PM) and " very famous UK PM"

Mountbatten was a prolific abuser of young boys by all accounts and was well in (obviously) with the royal family. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he abused Andrew and apparently some people who are abused become abusers. Particularly among males.

Two more thoughts

What I would say about the Lownie book is that it is really, really, well researched and evidenced when it comes to exactly how much AMW and Ferguson earned, spent and owed. No holes there, it’s jaw-dropping. Just these details irredeemably destroy their reputation, IMHO.

So it is surprising that he also throws in lots of casual allegations and insinuations which are in some cases are not evidenced at all, but because they appear alongside the well-researched financial stuff, you assume they are. We should be cautious about these until someone else does the legwork, investigates them properly, and shares the evidence.

The other thing is about Beatrice and Eugenie. Were they really so naive/stupid that they never questioned where all this money was coming from? The flying on Concorde and private jets, the exotic holidays, the ski chalet, the Belgravia property, the brand new Aston Martins and Range Rovers, Eugenie’s £2.8 million wedding, their mother’s huge staff and endless expensive outfits (even as a divorcee who was always claiming to be broke). It isn’t just over the top spending by ordinary people’s standards, it’s extravagant by royal standards. Did they never wonder why and how their parents were able to spend so much money when neither had the benefit of an estate income?

I also have read, and I believe it, that both Beatrice and Eugenie, despite ostensibly having civilian jobs and their own families, have been massively shaken and upset by the possibility that their precious royal titles might be taken away, just as Harry and Meghan are, whatever they might say about ,privacy and normality. I can’t help feeling that, bearing in mind the negative consequences for Epstein victims, the King and other members of the RF, and for their own parents, that the pair of them have got their priorities all wrong. This should not be the one thing they get upset about, unless they have inherited their father’s snobbery.

Good post. B&E are products of upbringing so will have many of same thoughts & beliefs on class etc as parents. John Lewis shoppers just about acceptable ;)

In my view Mountbatten should be further exposed. It is known what he did. Why has he not been vilified as he should be for what he did. It is because of his strong links to King Charles. He abused young boys. Why is there no outcry!

Justice does take time, but in the end realize for them to be removed from public life and royal heritage is an even greater demise than any court could ever inflict on them.

I mean, prison would be worse, no?

@PinkPanther57 Just on class? I find it hard to believe that’s the only thing they picked up.

@Postcardsender
I also have read, and I believe it, that both Beatrice and Eugenie, despite ostensibly having civilian jobs and their own families, have been massively shaken and upset by the possibility that their precious royal titles might be taken away, just as Harry and Meghan are, whatever they might say about ,privacy and normality.

If you've read it, you can evidence it, presumably? We wouldn't want people thinking it was just a nasty attempt to smear two women because of their father's behaviour, would we? And whatever you believe, individuals being "upset" at the prospect of losing their titles isn't the gotcha you appear to think it is. Would you prefer they said "That's fine, I never gave a shit about it anyway"?

I got "WTF! Sources!" replies to my post. It's common knowledge, yet never mentioned.

They do seem to be remarkably vice free considering, as far as anyone really knows. It does remind me of an aristo who was famously asked if he regretted his hopeless, terrible, parents not bringing him up. No, ‘thank God for Nanny’.

Declassified fbi reports and the kincora boys home scandal. He’s a shit.

Lord Mountbatten obviously.

I have zero sympathy for Andrew, however anyone can make any allegation and until he is charged and found guilty they are just allegations. He is clearly sleazy and entitled and, on that basis alone, he has got what is coming to him. Whether or not he has done anything criminal is yet to be decided!

Yes, but I said the RF of today. They all seem to have pretty good love-match marriages. With the exception of the insanely gross Andrew and Fergie, they seem more normal now than they ever have, actually. Obviously the Sussexes aren't very nice people, but I can't imagine either of them having married in order to reproduce and then have affairs, as the PP suggested.

I was wheeled up the garden in my pram and left to cry in the 1960s by my mum. It’s what was done then.

There have been biographies and documentaries about the sex lives of both Mountbatten and his wife. What else would you like to see happen in terms of vilification? He died almost half a century ago at the hands of the IRA - that seems spectacular karma enough, no?

I was thinking about all the high profile scandals that have broken over the years and they follow very similar patterns. High profile men being called out for their deviant and harmful behaviour by a women. The women absolutely pulled apart by the media, legal profession and general public consensus. Then a pause. Then an enlightenment that maybe she isn't a gold digger or bitter spurned women. Then the facts reveal the man actually is a deviant and risk to women and girls or a cheat or corrupt.
I can not think of a single one where the women who break the status quo have ever been proved to be anything other than telling the truth. But the default position is that they are just making it up. The default position needs to be that we believe them from day 1.
When Stormy Danniels revealed all and the President of the most powerful Country in the world said she was lying, I knew exactly who I believed from day one.
Same with Lance Armstrong. Female masseur said he was taking drugs. Had her whole life ruined and character completely blackened. Guess what, everything she said was the truth. The examples are numerous.
And the examples of them not telling the truth almost non existent.

@HelenaWaiting It was referred to in several recent media stories by well connected hacks. You may scoff at that but when it comes to royal stories, sources are very rarely ever willing to be named. Meanwhile, we are all still waiting for any of the York family to publicly express empathy for the victims of Epstein and his associates.

As for the significance - well. If I had just learned that my father had lied to me, my whole family and the public about his relationship with one of the worst known paedophiles in the world, which quite possibly means that he’s lied to all of us about everything else too, my first thought would not be “oh poor me, someone might take my title away”. But maybe it would be yours.

No. Not a British PM

Also Fergie and her financial adviser, many rumours about Prince Philip, Princess Margaret and her married lover, Diana had multiple affairs with married men throughout her marriage.

It wouldn’t be my first thought, but I’d definitely be reflecting on what his bad choices might cost me.