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New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

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Muffinmam · 03/11/2025 01:18

Last night an episode of 60 Minutes (Australia) aired and an allegation was
made that it wasn’t just girls who were trafficked to Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor by Ghislane and Epstein - there were also young boys.

I’ve included the link below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-9SfptZlU&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

This allegation never made it into the book because the writer never had a second witness to concur. However, he revealed it in the 60 Minutes interview last night and 60 Minutes aired what is a defamatory allegation - which makes me think that 60 Minutes felt confident it was true (otherwise their lawyers would have killed the story). It was a very short reference but British Police need to interview Ghislane as to Andrew’s other victims.

Further, AIBU to think that the Royal Protection officers should be made to answer questions as to criminality involving Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor?

Also, how can Beatrice & Eugenie still support their disgusting father after everything we know? Do they not care about their own children? Particularly Beatrice’s young step son. Hopefully Andrew is not allowed anywhere near this boy.

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Dollymylove · 03/11/2025 21:34

FluentOP · 03/11/2025 20:52

Charles, much more sensitive!!! Don’t make me laugh: He and Camilla love watching foxes being torn apart and tried to lobby parliament to bring back fox hunting. He went off to meet Mrs Parker Bowles just after collecting Diana and baby Harry from hospital. He sounds like an arrogant pig to me.

Prince Phillip apparently said that Princess Anne was the son he never had 😆
Thinking back to her attempted abduction, I think he was probably right 🤣

Horsie · 03/11/2025 21:36

APTPT · 03/11/2025 20:38

It's a very tired old coward's tactic from those who don't want any scrutiny and don't consider themselves accountable-- to label any criticism whatsoever, even the most cautious and tempered, as "a hatchet job" or "a hit piece."

I asked IF it was a hatchet piece, because I didn't want to spend money on something that wasn't well-sourced. I didn't label Lownie's book as that; I asked about it.

JustSawJohnny · 03/11/2025 21:36

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:28

I would be very surprised if gsilaine doesn’t die very soon by her own hand. (Someone else’s)

She knows too much.

Pepperlee · 03/11/2025 21:36

Daisymay8 · 03/11/2025 04:52

I feel the set up by Epstein and Maxwell probably ran to dozens of privileged men and many more girls. Is the chasing of Andrew by the world press a deliberate way of sidetracking from these men - Trump ? Why aren’t other girls coming forward or have they been paid off and keeping their heads down.

The other girl involved with VG is suing Guiffres as she says that VG told lies about some of the treatment and events.

The GET Andrew plan seems odd as he is the only one and people are determined to get him and only him in prison or dead. Why not others too?

Exactly my thoughts too. Where are all the other girls who worked on that island ? Apparently Guiffre's father abused her from a young age. He's still alive. Why hasn't he been charged? There's far more abusers and girls involved in this sorry mess than Andrew and VG but all the heat's on him.

CathyorClaire · 03/11/2025 21:37

The difficulty is that nothing was ever investigated when it should have been

Componded by the further difficulty of records being sealed until Mr MW and the rest of us interested are conveniently dead.

We're now supposed to be distracted by the prospect of Mr MW losing his unearned birthday gongs while the real dirt goes undug 😡

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:37

Dollymylove · 03/11/2025 21:34

Prince Phillip apparently said that Princess Anne was the son he never had 😆
Thinking back to her attempted abduction, I think he was probably right 🤣

Anne showed amazing courage & bravery here.

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:39

ThatCyanCat · 03/11/2025 21:34

He's not, and if only he had married Camilla first time round, things would be very different. It was a mess, with vulnerable people and no perfect saints or evil demons, but he really is a one woman man.

I can't see any evidence that he or Edward is attracted to men.

I apologise. There were very strong rumours that someone in the palace, a prince, was corrupt and also gay. I assumed Charles tbh. That’s the trouble with newspaper cagey rumours. Anyway. Probably Andrew. Whatever.

Dollymylove · 03/11/2025 21:39

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:37

Anne showed amazing courage & bravery here.

Anne is brilliant. She takes no prisoners. I would love to know her inner thoughts on the Andrew business 😀

APTPT · 03/11/2025 21:40

Dollymylove · 03/11/2025 21:34

Prince Phillip apparently said that Princess Anne was the son he never had 😆
Thinking back to her attempted abduction, I think he was probably right 🤣

She's the only one of the whole lot who is worth a damn

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:40

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:18

I honestly don’t see Charles as the classic ladies man.

He was very much the Playboy prince at one point & the Kanga affair didn’t cover him in glory. People’s memories are short. I agree that he & QC very well suited.

Horsie · 03/11/2025 21:41

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:28

I would be very surprised if gsilaine doesn’t die very soon by her own hand. (Someone else’s)

Andrew's in so deep that I actually wondered if he might do the same. There are three dead so far: Epstein, Virginia, and Jean-Luc Brunel, who was head of the modelling agency that discovered Christy Turlington and was a huge part of Epstein's abuse ring. It seems that these deeply disturbed individuals often do take their own lives. (Not referring to Virginia here - she was a victim of trauma.)

Dollymylove · 03/11/2025 21:42

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:40

He was very much the Playboy prince at one point & the Kanga affair didn’t cover him in glory. People’s memories are short. I agree that he & QC very well suited.

Charles had a very lean and muscular physique as a young man. Lots of bikini clad ladies wanted to kiss him, and some of them did!!

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:43

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:39

I apologise. There were very strong rumours that someone in the palace, a prince, was corrupt and also gay. I assumed Charles tbh. That’s the trouble with newspaper cagey rumours. Anyway. Probably Andrew. Whatever.

They are a louche lot generally so anything is possible inside & out of official relationships. It’s just us plebs with our provincial notions of respectability & respect for marriage vows.

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:43

I will be honest i have thought the same re Andrew. He knows too much. There are so many very powerful forces around. His and ghislaine days are numbered.

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:44

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:43

They are a louche lot generally so anything is possible inside & out of official relationships. It’s just us plebs with our provincial notions of respectability & respect for marriage vows.

Yes but it was also taking advantage of staff. Some thing are disgusting.

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:46

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:43

I will be honest i have thought the same re Andrew. He knows too much. There are so many very powerful forces around. His and ghislaine days are numbered.

Lownie said often when he was inflagante delicto overseas after some dodgy diplomat or PM had procured an escort, up would pop someone with a flash camera.

He’s a useful idiot.

FluentOP · 03/11/2025 21:47

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:15

Why would they put the Mountbatten name on him. Knowing what we know about him? Also, Charles adored that man. The prolific abuser of young boys. What on earth else can come out!

Laurens Van Der Post !
Jimmy Saville !
Peter Ball !

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:48

FluentOP · 03/11/2025 21:47

Laurens Van Der Post !
Jimmy Saville !
Peter Ball !

Indeed.

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:48

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:44

Yes but it was also taking advantage of staff. Some thing are disgusting.

Staff were/are there to serve. PW, I hear, is decent & respectful FWIW. He’s goes into offices & chats in a genuine way.

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:49

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:48

Indeed.

wouldn’t you think an investigative reporter would get onto it!!

AcquadiP · 03/11/2025 21:51

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 20:58

PP’s mistresses are mentioned factually by Lownie although not named & this isn’t contested.

That doesn't mean PK was one of them. Didn't PP and the Queen become close friends with her after her daughter died?

SheSaidHummingbird · 03/11/2025 21:53

Muffinmam · 03/11/2025 13:43

Given the allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and his propensity to lie (and he has absolutely now been proven he was lying) it is blatantly clear that he is morally corrupt and I would go so far as to say he is evil.

It is the public who need protection from this sex pest - particularly minors.

Concerningly his behaviour was carried out in front of Royal protection officers who stood by while he committed crimes. The public was paying for these Royal protection officers. So Randy Andy was kept safe but minors were not.

There needs to be a massive inquiry on how he was able to get away with his disgusting behaviour for years. Even when there were serious allegations against him - he got away with it. He has never had to account for what he did.

I just hope that Beatrice’s step son was never alone with this evil and hideous man.

Edited

We will never be told the full truth. Andrew will always be protected, wealthy, safely accommodated and comfortable. The Royal Family have - and will continue to - cover themselves. Nothing will come of this.

PinkPanther57 · 03/11/2025 21:53

AcquadiP · 03/11/2025 21:51

That doesn't mean PK was one of them. Didn't PP and the Queen become close friends with her after her daughter died?

No it doesn’t. I agree. Not sure on Penny details.

Horsie · 03/11/2025 21:54

APTPT · 03/11/2025 21:40

She's the only one of the whole lot who is worth a damn

I think that's unfair. I think they're all OK except for two couples: the former Yorks and the Sussexes. The York daughters, Edward and his family, Anne and her family, and the Waleses are just fine. So are Charles and Camilla. Some of you should read Sally Bedell Smith's incredibly balanced, well-researched, and well-sourced book about Diana, and then follow up with Tina Browne's book. All the below is from them.

Diana had absolutely horrendous mental-health problems - NOT her fault, but sadly untreated, as many were back then. She used to bash Charles about the head when he was praying, her moods were unreal, and her illness nearly drove Charles to despair. He got her mental-health help soon after the honeymoon. He's not as stuffy as you might think, being into gurus and talking to plants, and such. He has a right hippy side.

He says, and all evidence corroborates it, that he did not go back to Camilla until 1986, and the Bedell book says, with sources, that Diana had slept with someone else first.

But Charles never said anything against Diana, and the RF's stance was, she's unwell, so we will not say anything against her. So she won the PR battle. I am not against her at all; there was plenty to admire about her, but it seems she desperately needed medication that we have these days but may not be available back then, plus intensive therapy. 600 phone calls were traced from Oliver Hoare's house to KP. She was really unwell lots of the time, and Charles's friends re-introduced him to Camilla when they feared for his mental state, being trapped in that marriage. I have been married to someone with similar problems, and it feels like being sucked into a dark hole from which there is no way out.

Reading those well-researched books, whose authors were notably not sued by Diana's family, made me see that Charles is not the villain everyone thinks him to be. He made mistakes, including not proposing to Camilla way back when, and allowing himself to be pressured into marrying a young woman he hardly knew, but I think he's OK really. He has loved just one woman his whole life, and to his credit, she wasn't some pretty young thing years younger than him.

TheLocust · 03/11/2025 21:57

MyLittleCatMan · 03/11/2025 21:28

I would be very surprised if gsilaine doesn’t die very soon by her own hand. (Someone else’s)

If she had any sense at all she'll have an insurance policy. All the receipts lined up in a safe somewhere with instructions for the whole shooting match to be released if she dies.