To flash at middle lane huggers?

[WhatMummyMakesSheEats]

it really angers me how many people don’t know how to drive on the motorway. Especially the M25.

Why are there so many people who just sit in the middle lane and don’t move over? I don’t want to undertake people. So if I’m being made to slow down by a middle lane hogger I’ll flash at them to move over. More often than not they will move to the outside lane, so they obviously know where they should be?!

I do want to add that I also hate people who weave and undertake but I think they are just aggressive drivers and also if no one hogged the middle lane they wouldn’t be able to!

I was taught to drive at the speed limit (not slower), with obvious exceptions for weather and visibility. So 70 is actually the target speed and safest speed in normal conditions.
I guess it depends when you drive and took your test

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😂 love how you blame others for your dangerous driving!

This actually isn’t true. Undertaking is not only classed as moving into a lane in order to under/overtake. The Highway Code actually says “Do not overtake on the left OR move to a lane on your left to overtake.” Which is stating that simply overtaking on the left (what people call undertaking) is also wrong. (Picture attached). The only time this is allowed is if there is congestion. So. Again. What are we meant to do when lane 1 is totally empty but lanes 2 and 3 are travelling 50-55mph? Would you class this as congestion even though “not all lanes are travelling at a similar speed”? If so, then fine, hopefully the law agrees. But would it class as undertaking if there was one solitary car in lane 2 doing 50 and you were doing 70 in lane 1? Under your rule it would be fine as you are just maintaining your speed in lane 1. But it IS undertaking and not allowed according to the Highway Code. So it really isn’t that clear cut generally. Everyone on this thread is interpreting it all very differently.

Read your attachment again. The but where is says you can keep up or go PAST TRAFFIC ON YOUR RIGHT if the lane on your right is congested.

it’s literally in the picture you posted

It does depend on whether the 'middle-lane-hugger' is actually overtaking but leaving a safe distance in front of the car ahead in the middle lane. Plenty of people seem to have zero idea of what a safe distance is.

Atl least, don't be an under-taker, who then pops up from the nearside and halves the safe distance.

I know. I mentioned that in my post as well? I literally mentioned congestion multiple times? It also mentions similar speeds. If lanes 2 and 3 are doing 40-50 and you’re doing 70 would that be classed as a similar speed? My point is it’s not clear cut where undertaking becomes allowed or not. Everyone’s interpretation of congested or similar speeds could be different.

That means in heavy traffic when lanes are stop, start etc. It doesn’t mean if the traffic to the right lane is going 65-70mph but you need to wait for a gap!

of course everyone should leave a safe gap in front of them, but size of gap makes no difference to whether you’re hogging the middle lane. However big the gap in front of you, you still need to be overtaking.

Absolutely. But overtaking starts before you're actually alongside.

Agree too about the issues with slow and queuing traffic in outside lane, but I was thinking of normally flowing traffic.

If you would read all my other posts I’m talking about the people who undertake or tailgate the MLH. Neither of which I do.

You are a menace, just stop.

I presume that's written towards those driving at 58mph in lane 3, @HughPew - in which case I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically agree.

This is a joke, right? 🤦‍♀️

I actually think the situation gets worse when you’ve got 4 lanes. It’s like the ‘middle lane hoggers’ now think, ‘ah, now we can spread ourselves out over 2 lanes and just stay here away from trucks and vans on the left without needing to brake or move for the next 9 miles!’ 😬😬😬 On numerous occasions, I have seen cars driving parallel to each other in lanes 2&3 of a 4 lane stretch. There’s usually a lorry or two in the left hand lane about a mile in front of them meaning they are not overtaking that vehicle and the car in lane 3 seems to have no impetus to even overtake the car in lane 2! So, if I’m in lane 1, what should I do? Should I really be forced to cut right three times then cut back left a further three times all because they either don’t know how to drive or cannot be bothered to drive correctly? Surely, it would be much safer if they were both in lane 1, meaning I only needed to pull right once, overtake them both then pull left again until I get closer to the lorry, when I will, hopefully, repeat the manoeuvre?

Being unable to understand what I have written, is not reflective of what I have actually written.

@ThisNeedsToWork in these circumstances I just drive past them in a controlled and observant manner in the inside lane - much safer than switching lanes, I think.

People call this undertaking (a concept, incidentally, which does not even exist in a number of countries around the world), but I maintain it is the safer option.

Ffs just go round!

Undertaking on a motorway is strongly discouraged by the Highway Code and can result in prosecution for careless or dangerous driving if done recklessly or in inappropriate situations.

Did you know that all the rules of the road are made up? In some countries, double yellow lines don't mean 'no parking'. In some countries, a solid white line doesn't mean no overtaking. In most countries, the convention is to drive on the right. Driving on the left isn't a concept! Would you try doing any of those with the same reasoning though?!

If you’re towing then you can’t go into the 3rd /4th lane. They shouldn’t be there. And I can only assume that aren’t paying attention, which is dangerous.

If you’re towing then stay in the bloody slow lane!

You’re absolutely right. Which is why I said ‘in a controlled and observant manner’

There’s no such thing as the slow lane. You mean lane 1 right? The lane everyone should be driving in unless overtaking. So someone towing who can travel at 60mph, has to have their speed lowered to whatever the person in the middle lane has decided to travel at? If the middle lane hogger is doing 50mph the person towing now must drop down to 50mph and be happy with it? Despite a completely empty road ahead? Don’t be ridiculous. Why should one person doing the wrong thing be allowed to hold up everyone to that extent.

I completely agree @SoubbG but this is Mumsnet, where certain posters are adamant that if you are doing less than the speed limit in lane 3, then everyone has to "go round you" because you have chosen your desired personal space and the speed you're comfortable with. Nothing else matters, not the Highway Code, not common sense.

Why should someone towing stay in the slow lane? Although you mean lane 1.

Sounds like you’re saying that it’s OK for someone to drive without due care and attention, hog an empty lane, hold up traffic and to hell with everybody else.

I feel like you must be trolling? Or do you really not understand how the lane system works? You’re definitely exposing yourself as one of the problem people if you’re not a troll 😅