Fear of safety for my mixed race family

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I feel a lot of worry about the safety of the country for mixed race people. They are the most precious people in my life. They are my family. My son, my daughter and my husband are all mixed race. I don’t have a close relationship with any other family members and I have a few other friends but they are white so don’t really
Get it.

I know I am not overreacting as racism is clearly on the rise and rampant and the politicians are deeply corrupt in their tactics to turn us all against each other.

I feel guilty to be the only white one in the family. I feel so angry that when I choose to have children, race was not an issue in the UK 🇬🇧 I hate to see it but I feel like I’ve failed them to raise them here even though I didn’t know what the future held. I have this desire to make a plan to move abroad but logistically and financially o don’t think that will be possible.

I feel like everyone else (that I know) is safe and protected but my little precious family is at threat. I can’t even speak to my own parents about it as they don’t believe reform are racist.

I feel like I’m stuck in a nightmare and it’s only going to get worse.

In my deepest darkest moments I fear my family being taken from me as there is a hate group towards mixed race people that is only growing. I’m scared of history repeating itself.

My feelings are worry, fear, anger, loneliness.

AIBU?!

Why would you not feel safe in Birmingham as a non muslim - I am a non Muslim Brummie as are all my family and have not felt the slightest fear due yo our religion ( or lack thereof). Do you view somewhere with a lot of ethnic diversity as necessarily an unsafe place for a white person?

Maybe your experience as a white passing person will be different to OP’s children?

That’s awful! So sorry that happened to your daughter. Racists always seem so cowardly to me. Always women and children in the firing line (like I read muslim women are the disproportionate victims of Islamophobic attacks.)

I suspect the man who said that to your daughter would have refrained from saying that to a 6ft tall black man.

Everybody is more likely to be in danger (attacked / killed) of people in their own demographic group - it’s known as “proximity”.

Still doesn’t stop people fearing racism / racist attacks.

Let's protect it by acknowledging that the colour of someone's skin doesn't signal whether they are, or are not, a danger to.others.

Let’s protect it knowing that Islamic extremism is still a genuine threat. And that many people from countries where women are despised and reviled are now walking among us.

Some UK Muslim leaders have expressed an aim to take over in the way they have done in other countries like Egypt etc. Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims are known to use a high level of electoral fraud to weaponise our democracy against us and gain power.

Do you have a source for this?

A cautionary tale. The world isn't the kumbaya place it once was. Mass migration / globalisation has brought with it a terrible sense of cultural insecurity. It seems like people are becoming rats in a sack fighting for resources and dominance. I fear this is only going to get worse.

She would still be a minority. You cannot throw all non-white people into the same category.

Yes, very probably.

I went with DD to school for the next couple of weeks to support her. On one occasion the man turned up (I managed to photograph him on my phone). He said 'get out of my way pus*y' to a woman (Asian heritage? Didn't ask for details).

The police were very good, registered it as hate crime and put plain clothed transport police on the route, and circulated his description and photo. But of course nothing else they could do.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/individuals-referred-to-prevent-to-march-2024/individuals-referred-to-and-supported-through-the-prevent-programme-april-2023-to-march-2024#type-of-concern

I'm going to post this here. Suggests that Prevent is dealing more with right wing extremists than Islamic extremists......

I am so sorry to read your post. You must be very worried about your family and this is totally reasonable. I have similar fears for my DD and her boyfriend as he is Asian and has been subjected to racist comments. Please don't feel that you should move away from the UK because of the actions of ignorant racist bigots. Please take some reassurance that the vast majority of the public do not share these views. I hope things improve for you and your family.

We have a lot of Muslims as neighbours as we live near to a large mosque. They have been great neighbours, and neither I (single mother) nor teen DD have ever been harassed. Only ever been treated with respect by the congregation.

Some minor issues over parking for Friday prayers!

This. And people keep alleging that it’s solely concerns about islamic fanaticism, undocumented entrants into the UK etc.

But it’s everywhere!

Look at Pochin’s comments about black and brown people in adverts. What does that have to do with Islamic terrorism / illegal immigration? Anybody who ever dares look at the comments at any advert or story posted on social media that happens to feature a brown or black person (or heaven forbid, a mixed couple) will be hit by a tsunami of racism.

If people were exclusively commenting negatively about terror attacks, religious fanaticism and undocumented migrants the few would be bothered. But it has spread much wider than that to the point I know people: friends and within my own family currently working in acquiring second passports to try and relocate as they are exceptionally worried about the current climate for themselves and especially their kids.

My husband looks white, I am white. But my husband is half South African. One of my daughters is white like me and one is much darker skinned. Especially on her hands and now other kids are noticing this. My daughter has been worried about it and I don’t take any notice. I tell her we are all the same, all different shapes and sizes and different colours but we all hurt the same and bleed the same. My view is I educate my children not about racism but how people are people.

I’ve said throughout this flag business that if the people doing it coordinated their efforts and put their time and money into a community project instead so many of the “are own” that they witter about could be helped. Food bank, clothing bank, warm meals at the community centre, helping people with shopping/decorating/whatever, tidying up the local parks. There are so many possibilities to show how much they really care about their local area.

We live in a very VERY white village. My family probably counts for 80% of the diversity here (my husband is black and we have sons). The flags started going up in the middle of the night a couple of months back. Then someone painted a flag onto the mini roundabout. It feels horrible. The village fb was split. Some people are saying it's not ok but most are spouting the usual stuff about reclaiming England, people on boats and immigrants are criminals stealing benefits.

I feel awful. Worried. Sick. Scared I'm going to wake up to find one of those stupid flags painted on my house. I'm now scared every time my son goes into the city that he'll be targeted.

You cant help but look at what is happening and wondering when its going to be your turn.

Have a look at Raja Miah’s account on X. He is an ex Muslim campaigner in the grooming gangs and also highlights clips of Muslim extremists in this country setting out their long term aims and also calling for sharia law and how to stone women as punishment.

Just look at what’s happened in other countries over the last 20-30 years. Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan etc - all have been taken over by Islamists.

A quick question while you are here, you appear to be empathising and agreeing with some posts from people saying they are afraid of racism but then you question two other people’s accounts that don’t fit the same narrative? Why is that?

I’m just going to post this here.

MI5 know that the vast majority of their counter terrorism work is against Islamic terrorism. Islamist extremists are responsible for 23 out of 31 deadly terror attacks in the U.K. since 2000, causing over 100 deaths and thousands of injuries.

Prevent have received spurious referrals such as the 11 yr old schoolboy who struggled with his homework and wished his school would burn down, so it’s hardly a reliable source.

From MI5.

Terrorist ideologies

Islamist terrorism
Islamist terrorism is the most significant terrorist threat to the UK by volume.
Islamist terrorists are generally driven by an extreme interpretation of Islam or perceived grievances against ‘the West’, particularly those propagated by terrorist groups such as Daesh (also referred to as ISIL, ISIS or the Islamic State) or al-Qaeda. Much of the volume of the threat is from individuals who have self-radicalised, seeking to carry out attacks using unsophisticated or low-sophistication methodologies. Generally, individuals will decide themselves to conduct an attack, rather than the attack being directed or controlled by a terrorist group. This can make it harder to identify terrorist activity.

www.mi5.gov.uk/what-we-do/countering-terrorism

I did have a look at the link!

Average age 11 -15. Not negligible at all, just stating.

Phrases like “unreliable data”.

And the ability for the referred to refuse to attend or be part of Prevent.

I don’t use X but this helps. I thought you had links to data but your source is opinion posts on X.

As for the countries taken over by Islamists - neither Afghanistan nor Iran had open, safe, progressive regimes pre the Ayatollah / Taliban take over. Both has oppressive leadership and had for decades. They simply changed the flavour of the oppression. Not sure that applies to stable modern democracies like Britain or most European nations.

but then you question two other people’s accounts that don’t fit the same narrative?

Whose narrative have I questioned

1. I asked for your data source as you have made claims that suggest data is behind them.
2. There is one person who felt Birmingham was unsafe for non-muslims and I asked why they felt that. (Purely because as a non-muslim Brummie who still has family there this is something that interests me).

You are part of the problem tbh. “When I chose to have children, race was not an issue in the UK”. That sentence of yours says a lot and shows how ignorant you are and not actually different from the white people you speak of in your post.

Do you truly belive every area of Birmingham is safe ? If so you are lying to yourself .

I think a lot of people don’t notice things until
it impacts them / their family directly.

Why have you completely changed what I said? Are their dodgy areas in Brum? Of course there are. There are dodgy areas everywhere. But that was not what I asked about.

I have asked why you said Birmingham does not feel safe for non-muslims? You were there on a work trip so I don’t think you visited every area so what about your visit made you feel that the non-muslims living in Birmingham are not safe?