Andrew and social services

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AIBU to wonder if social care have become involved with Andrew Mountbatten’s daughters and Grandchildren? And if not, why not?
he’s clearly a sex offender of a very young woman and I’m not sure but possibly a paedophile. I guess he’s not been charged with anything as yet so that probably answers my question. Just sitting here and thinking about how different life would be for him if he’d lived in an ordinary family

Indeed, like the most powerful man in the world, for one, the giant orange toddler.

He has low morals. If he was your father, would you let him be around you and your children? Would you trust him around your daughter or another girl in the family from say 15 years old?

What I find strange is why wasn’t Prince Andrew warned off having anything to do with Epstein by the security services? Why would conspiracy theorists Alex Jones know all about the Island but not MI5?

Just the simple question how did he make his billions is enough to think maybe being friends with him and by being friends with him giving him some respectability is a bad idea. So far no American has had any push back from being friends with Epstein and many people feel those with true influence are being protected. The rumours about Epstein have been around for decades but so far the only high profile person who has had any heat is someone with no real power who isn’t even an American.

Has he actually been convicted?

No.

Innocent until proven guilty. That’s how the law works whether we like it or not (and it has to be this way).

He needs to be formally tried and convicted. I hope he is put on trial.

I dislike Andrew from all I know about him, but lets be clear - he has never been convicted of any sex offences, and what did happen, that we know about - a man in his 40s having sex with a 17 year old in London was not any kind of crime, then or now.

Twdry, repulsive, yuk, yes - discreditable, yes, criminal no.

Epstein and Maxwell are both convicted sex offenders, but we would have to prove that Andrew was aware ahead of time or a conspirator to go further with criminalising him - presumably no such evidence exists.

So as it stands there would be no case for SS to be involved.

Don’t be ridiculous

It was definitely worse than "paying for sex", because Virginia Giuffre was trafficked.

This is not directed at the poster above, but I often wonder if people understand the legal meaning of the term 'sex trafficking'. It's a term that conjures up images of women/girls being kidnapped, tied up and taken to other countries in horrid conditions to work in brothels against their will.

But it can also mean - and indeed does mean in this case - simply buying someone a plane ticket from one state to another under false pretences for the purpose of commercial sex. That doesn't make it any lesser of an offense, obviously. But I do think the lack of understanding contributes to threads like this making all kinds of fictitious accusations.

And before anyone says “yes but she wasn’t over the age of consent in the US,” nobody seemed to care about that when that kid was arrested for having sex in Dubai

But the kid in Dubai wasn't trafficked so that's a silly comparison.

Virginia was over the age of consent in the UK but couldn't consent anyway as she was trafficked. Any my understanding is that she was trafficked from a state where she was underage. Andrew didn't traffic her but he must have been aware she'd been trafficked. And he must have been aware that she was very young.

God, another absolutely pointless and ill informed thread.

What do people think social services are going to do about his adult daughters who don’t live with him?

He is also not accused of being a paedophile.

He’s a disgusting predator but there is absolutely no evidence that he is a paedophile which has a very specific definition that I wish people would actually try to understand instead of throwing it around constantly.

Because the woman he’s accused of having sex with (statutory rape I presume given she was trafficked!) was not a child… and he’s not even been charged, therefore not convicted.

He was in an orgy with other men including Epstein, and many young girls under 16. His sexual boundaries are non existent it seems. I wouldn’t let him near my grandkids or any other children/young people if I could help it.

Not proved that he is a rapist. She said she'd been forced to have sex with him but not that he'd forced her. What he did was morally wrong, but unless he'd used physical force, not illegal. Only the monarch is exempt from prosecution, so if there were grounds and proof he would have been treated accordingly, like everyone else.

Why are people only blaming Andrew here? Supposedly there’s loads of men, why not challenge them

not saying he doesn’t deserve what’s happened, he does, but to say that he is a danger to his own grandchildren is a step to far

no where is there any proof he is a pedophile

People now need to start looking at all the other men involved in this

Virginia thought that some of the girls who participated in the orgies were as young as 12 but unless there’s evidence of that, he’s not a pedo.

And yes, ETA to agree that the net should be widened now so that the other powerful men are scrutinised. Trump, Clinton etc who should face questions before they die. It wasn’t just AMW as we know.

She also claimed to be dying and spoke from her "death" bed. I'd venture her information was never reliable.

Yanbu. Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell attended Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday party at Windsor Castle.
Strange none of the other Royals have ever mentoned this.

I grew up in a notorious vice area, we practically had our own page in the news of the world. If social services wanted to investigate all the men involved they need an awful lot of social workers.

A school friends dad tried to solicit me when I was about 13, he didn't recognise me but I made sure I left school with her the following Monday when he was picking her up. His face was a picture. Very respectable family who lived in a nice area.

When I worked for the vice squad id see dads at the school gate when I was picking my kids up. Some of those dads had received cautions the night before for kerb crawling.

It happens in lots of families. Prostitutes targeted the streets round the local maternity hospital at the end of visiting time, they told me it was a very profitable "beat" which is awful but true.

Wives often have no idea, who knows on here if their husband has ever done it?

Neither would I and I hope he’s prosecuted as it appears he is as complicit as the traffickers themselves. He did not have consensual sex with a 17 year old if that 17 year old was trafficked, forced, coerced. Even if she appeared to consent, she didn’t.

His daughters need to be acting to protect their children from being around him because of his behaviour, his morals and values. Who knows what they really think now and I doubt we’ll ever know.

But, he is not accused of being a paedophile.
Social services could do very little in this case unless there is evidence that he poses a direct risk to young children.

It just means it hasn’t been proven, but if someone has sex with a young child, they are still a paedo.

Let’s not forget Charles was besties with a pedophile too. What are the chances?

You are kidding, I presume
We have a family member who served three years in prison for sexual assault on a minor over a seven year period. The wife stood by him. Later, It transpired that her daughter was also sexually assaulted by him.

They were given their grandchildren by social services when the mother who was also a victim of his sexual assault had a nervous breakdown.

Do you know any pedophiles? They don't come with a sign so you might not know.

Why doesn’t Andrew reveal all?

Do you think it can’t be rape if the victim is not held down and physically forced to have sex?

I think you need to do some research and reflection because you’re absolutely fucking wrong about this.

Only the monarch is exempt from prosecution, so if there were grounds and proof he would have been treated accordingly, like everyone else.

Very naive. Do you really think the police treat the royal family the same as everyone else?