Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

Just like in Germany this is going to happen more and more.

news.sky.com/story/haybe-cabdiraxmaan-nur-small-boat-migrant-who-stabbed-man-to-death-in-derby-bank-jailed-13460015

The reported figure is on average they are spending £144 per person per night on housing migrants in hotels. I can't imagine many in receipt of benefits get that level of state support and what a difference it would make to their lives.

I think people prefer this isn’t discussed.

I agree Germany too faces the same issues and ROI.

Yes, the old ‘nothing to see here’.

Yep although no one actually does want barracks nearby. Preferring to insult those who say no, they’re not actually saying yes either.

Just generally on mn that is.

2016 in Germany. It’s much worse now.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-trigger-raw-debate-on-immigration-in-germany-a-1071175.html

2024 Germany begins to acknowledge the ‘unspeakable’

The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023.

Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

The figures coming from German law enforcement are very unlikely to be the sort of thing that's disclosed here in the UK, @Y0208680333367

As Baroness Casey noted they're simply not collected in anything like an adequate manner, probably because our politicians worry about what they may reveal, so instead they go for whatever might offer plausible deniability

The Novotel in Ipswich (which used to house 200 immigrants) is four star. The Best Western Ipswich (housed 150) might be 3 star, but it’s none too shabby, honestly.

Believe me, I know only too well. I’m German (but now live in the UK).

I could weep when I think of what my beautiful and once so safe country has become.

I agree. It’s horrendous. So infuriating because none of it was necessary or inevitable. Until.. same with lots of Europe. Apart from Poland. Interestingly.

We often stayed in the Park Inn by Radisson in Glasgow - lovely city centre hotel of a very good standard.

Sadly it's not available to the likes of us any more IYSWIM

So, your answer is yes. In that case, why should priority be given to people who are by definition not those most in need of support?

How many of the most vulnerable have thousands of pounds to give to criminal gangs, can leave behind their families, and are physically able to travel thousands of miles?

That is a shame. You could try the Double Tree on Cambridge St. Very nice hotel in the city centre.

What point are you trying to make?

It doesn’t matter you think, house prices show whether people want to live in diverse areas or not.

I’ve seen very little resistance to supporting people from Ukraine

but from Hong Kong and Afghanistan

seriously ? There is plenty of people not wanting non white and especially Muslim refugees here regardless of they helped our military or not

I'm trying to understand your argument, is it that the most vulnerable are too weak to make the journey to the UK, and so those that arrive here don't deserve to be granted asylum?
I am in favour of allowing asylum claims from abroad, though as another poster has pointed out, this is not without issue. Would mean that those too weak to make to journey can still have a claim.
Is that what you are getting at?

My view is that we should have a legal route for a limited number of those who are genuinely the most vulnerable.

Those who come illegally, having passed through lots of safe countries, should be removed to either their home countries or a safe third country.

That way we could support the most vulnerable, while stopping the small boats issue which funds criminal gangs, puts people at risk and erodes support for immigration as a whole.

Thanks for explaining. I don't think we are a million miles apart in our views.

Of course that’s why they won’t collect accurate data. Much like male crimes having been recorded as female crimes for years now. Let’s keep no data or lots of inaccurate data so we don’t have to be held accountable for making some fucking indefensible decisions.

This still doesn’t solve how you stop the boats coming.

The RNLI will keep supporting the small vessels as that’s literally their job. The Navy will not sink boats. We don’t have jurisdiction to stop them launching as that’s French soil. There is no way to stop it without diplomacy.

Agreed.

I get so upset about it all.

If people are not allowed to stay they will not come.

If anyone coming knew they will be in Rwanda within a week they will not come.

Same for Sweden which was such a lovely country with such an educated socially minded population. Very sad.

Yes.

A lot of stuff was brushed under the carpet there too, for a long time.