Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

Another day of Labour another shitshow.

I was against the Rwanda plan at the time (largely because of the cost), but I’m increasingly convinced something similar is the only way forward now.

We can make the accommodation as unattractive as we want, but people will continue getting small boats as long as there’s a strong chance they’ll get to stay in the UK.

People are not falling for the sob stories any longer - the game is well and truly up.

Most people are totally pig sick of being taken advantage of and our safety concerns overlooked...we should be the priority and our safety concerns not accommodating all and sundry from third world countries.

Rock and a hard place then because without Brexit everyone given European citizenship would have free movement anyway. So we would be unable to stop anyone coming who holds that citizenship.

Why don't you lobby the Government for crimes to be recorded by country of origin/time in this country/asylum status.

When you can show us with data how peaceful and law abiding these men are perhaps we can relax a little?

It's not that Labour "don't get it" - they don't want us to get it, so they like us to remain distracted by dealing with crime, overcrowding, avoiding at all costs being called racist etc.

It doesn't matter where the asylum seekers are held, the UK as a nation can't afford to house them full stop, if Liebour say we are in so much debt then they can stop paying £££ in contracts for non-essential services for non-residents.

Far too many people in precarious unaffordable rentals and using food banks. It is disgusting that billions are being made from asylum housing by just a handful of individuals.

It is also disgusting that the govt won't say how much has been paid back to the Treasury by the profiteers.

Honestly why do people keep saying that Labour are doing their best for ordinary people, when they aren't. I just don't understand.

Ironically immigration was much, much lower before we left the EU.

I suspect some of the current EU members would have concerns about the opposite issue given the average Pole is not far from becoming wealthier than us.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 13:17
Also if we have no idea of the country of origin where are the planes taking them when they are deported.

I wondered that. Also, how do they know which interpreter to get if the asylum seeker won’t say where he is from?

Was t it the Polish president who said the reason they had such a low crime rate was the fact they had zero immigration? I’m not surprised the average Pole is far richer. They went elsewhere to work, sent all the money home and have built beautiful houses, maintained their country all the while preventing immigrants from coming in.

I’ve genuinely stopped caring. I am absolutely sick of this government and the last.

I no longer give two hoots about any asylum seekers, or immigrants. White; brown; male, female, coming from Africa or from the awful country of France. I really have no compassion left for anybody. I don’t actually blame the migrants for coming, I blame our successive governments and the left leaning public for this damn mess.

It’s an absolute piss take when taxes rise for the working population, to pay for people to come into the country and not work, or work in low paid jobs requiring taxpayer funded top-ups. Socialism at its bloody finest. And that’s before you actually start even considering the safety implications, of which there are far too many…yet people still protest that it would be worse to detain until we identify our visitors….because…well….we have to be nice.

I hold my hands up and acquiesce that you can be the morally superior one. I’m going to vote for whoever stops this madness and allows working people to keep their own money to spend on themselves. And who puts the safety of the British public first, even if that makes me the world’s most horrible person.

It’s ok you don’t need a room silly. A sofa for you and a bed for an asylum seeker. Or you could pay for a new bed, put it up in your living room. Be careful though, you don’t want end up like the last guy who let an asylum seeker live in his house.

Why don't you be honest and say you wouldn't want an unvetted, unknown 20 something man in your house? I bloody wouldn't.

I have not been engaging with you by choice. I have no desire to feed your posts.

Would you please stop talking about me on this thread and on other threads as well?

I think the majority of us agree with you. Sick of it. Done. Compassion and tolerance have been pushed to the absolute limit. Our kindness has been exploited and weaponised as weakness. No more. Innocent people are being murdered and raped on an almost daily basis - sacrificed on the alter of luxury liberal elite politics. I don't want bloody farage in either, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that no one else will even talk about the elephant in the room let alone try and sort it out. It's a disgrace.

No, France doesn't do that. However the people who are coming over here are very often rejects with failed claims filed in France. When we were in the EU, they wouldn't have had a 'second shot' at asylum. That would have been it. Now that we're out, they think it's worth trying their luck here. As an aside, we've got Brexshit to thank for that. And no, we were never part of Schengen which means we've always had borders. When we were in the EU, asylum seekers never had access to the UK before they gained a proper visa.

Me too. Sick of it. On the news last night people living in the most appalling squalor because the council won't carry out repairs.
I very much doubt any of the hotels or barracks would be allowed to get into that state.

No sure what you mean here, we had peak asylum claims pre Brexit. Look at 2002

He was more specific. He said that they had taken plenty of refugees, including 2 million from Ukraine, but won't take a single Muslim asylum seeker. "Not even one" was the quote I think. He explained that was why unlike the rest of Europe, Poland hasn't suffered a single Islamist terror attack. And that he doesn't care if people call him racist or whatever. His priority is the Polish people and that's what they voted for.

Well said!

Another one who feels the same. It’s like watching the harrowing adverts on TV, initially it’s awful but when they are on constantly you do become almost immune? I can’t remember the word or phrase…. But it no longer has the shock impact…. The word is de-sensitised. It’s human nature and I guess a defence mechanism.

It seems like most people are increasingly feeling this way regarding asylum seekers. Some of these souls have been through the mill and it’s awful but when it comes to the crunch they are far more concerned about their own family and friends and the concept charity begins at home. People are allowed to feel hard done by when they are working full time and still having to use food banks. The country is fuc*ed and people are sick to the back teeth of everything!

Italy has been issuing EU passports after a certain time for some years. Therefore someone can then travel freely to Calais, get rid of their documents and present themselves on these shores as having had to flee from [insert country]

The fear pre-Brexit was that Turkey was going to be given EU membership and they would funnel all their undesirables straight to the UK. I think a stronger man than David Cameron might have been able to negotiate a way around this but at the time the EU were playing hardball.

I disagree, this is the time when compassion is needed the most.
The fact that our immigration system is not working is not the fault of the immigrants, they should not be blamed or punished for others failings.

So your view is that we should prioritise people who can pay smugglers tens of thousands to travel across continents (through multiple safe countries)?

My view is that people should be able to claim asylum in the UK, have that claim assessed in a timely manner, and be allowed to settle if their claim is granted. They should be treated with humanity while that process is taking place.