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To feel that not everyone is capable of “more”

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Kunitz · 27/10/2025 16:52

Following a conversation with a friend and hearing her very strong opinions on how basically everyone is capable of bettering themselves it got me thinking. So I (rather stupidly on reflection) confessed to her how anxious I was feeling about the future specifically with regards to my “benefits” stopping in a couple of years when my ds leaves school. Now before I get jumped on for daring to confess I claim benefits let me add that I work part time and my dh works full time. The majority of the money we receive is due to the fact our ds has autism and receives DLA. I also have adhd and autism plus other conditions however I have never attempted to claim pip for myself as I know I will not get it and can’t bare to put myself through the ordeal.

So, like I said I work, as does my dh. DH hasn’t been diagnosed with anything other than dyslexia as a child but it is clear to us and quite frankly anyone who knows him that he is in the spectrum. He is a lovely man an amazing father I really couldn’t ask for more in a partner. However at age 50 he has worked all his life in jobs that pay minimum or just above minimum wage. He has tried to “improve himself” (his words not mine) previously and ended up burnt out and breaking down admitting that he isn’t capable of more than he does and to be fair he works blooming hard in a manual job and takes on extra responsibility and steps up to team leaders jobs when he is offered but basically he feels he isn’t capable of more.

Then there is me. I earn £17 per hour so more than minimum wage but in my current job I only work one maybe two days per week as that is all I can do without feeling like I’m burning out which I’m aware to all of you NT that may sound a bit pathetic. Plus to be honest the job that I do is quite niche and most of the jobs advertised in my field are part time. I could push myself to work full time but due to my limited and very niche skillset I’d end up having to change jobs and would be on minimum wage doing something completely unknown to me and whilst there is nothing whatsoever wrong with that (I have worked on NMW a number of times previously) I actually wouldn’t end up that much better off financially.

So you can imagine my friends face when I said this to her. We currently get UC, our ds gets DLA and I get carers allowance as I’m just under the earning limit to claim that. Now I imagine most of you will think we are taking advantage of the system but it isn’t the case. I want to be able to work full time without feeling completely burnt out (not just very tired like most NT feel working full time) instead or claiming top ups and to be fair like I said I will have no choice in two years time when my 14 year old ds leaves school band it’s making me feel very anxious.

My friend basically told me that everyone unless severely mentally or physically impaired can work full time and no one needs to be on minimum wage and should push themselves to do better. Well I have pushed myself to do better but I know my capabilities and I have reached my peak. Due to past trauma, anxiety, low self esteem, abuse I am not the most confident of people, I can’t bare being out of my comfort zone to the point I’ll have anxiety attacks. I push myself often to do things that “normal” adults my age do and force myself into uncomfortable situations with the hope i will get used to it but I don’t.

I am not trying to make excuses for myself or my dh although I understand it probably seems that way. I just wanted to express to my friend that me and dh work hard but to our personal capacity and that not everyone is capable of more. She thought I was being ridiculous. Am I being ridiculous to think this way? Anyway I’m sorry for my somewhat incoherent rant. There is no point to it really other than for me to offload.

I over think things constantly worry about the further every single day of my life yet I can’t seem to make additional changes to help things turn out ok down the line. I now know since my recent diagnosis that this is likely due to the fact that in addition to my autism/adhd I am extremely demand avoidant, I have (to some extent) poor executive functioning skills, I’m indecisive, I have no sense of self, low self esteem etc etc etc. Like I’d said these aren’t excuses just facts. I try my best every day putting one foot in front of the other yet I never feel good enough because I’m incapable of bettering myself and therefore condemn myself to a bit of a sh*tty future. Thanks for reading. That’s my pitty party story for one over and out.

OP posts:
GarlicBreadStan · 27/10/2025 17:00

YANBU - I'm awaiting an assessment for autism but I'm pretty sure I am autistic.

No matter what job I've tried to do, and no matter how many hours I've tried to do, I get burnt out so quickly and for so long that it makes me physically unwell. I don't think I'll ever get to the point where I'm able to work again, and I'm having to accept that and it's hard, because I'd love to work.

I really empathise with you, OP x

Kunitz · 27/10/2025 17:05

GarlicBreadStan · 27/10/2025 17:00

YANBU - I'm awaiting an assessment for autism but I'm pretty sure I am autistic.

No matter what job I've tried to do, and no matter how many hours I've tried to do, I get burnt out so quickly and for so long that it makes me physically unwell. I don't think I'll ever get to the point where I'm able to work again, and I'm having to accept that and it's hard, because I'd love to work.

I really empathise with you, OP x

Good luck with your assessment. I actually found the process ok and not as overwhelming as I first thought it would be so hopefully it’s the same with you.

OP posts:
THISbitchingwitch · 27/10/2025 17:06

"No one needs to be on minimum wage"

Yet so many jobs pay minimum wage - employers aren't all going to magically put up wages without force

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 27/10/2025 17:07

YANBU. Your friend is wrong on a number of levels, from the fact that you need to be severely physically or mentally unwell to be unable to work full time to the idea that no one needs to be on minimum wage - what jobs does she think everyone should be doing and how many of them does she think are available?

Her arguments are actually infuriating.

DurhamDurham · 27/10/2025 17:07

The whole country would be in a complete mess if suddenly no one wanted to do minimum wage jobs, they fit the brief for so many people for so many reasons. Important that those that want to progress are supported to do so but there’s nothing wrong with working in a role that fits in with your family circumstances.
I absolutely never discuss money with anyone: family, friends etc, it’s none of their business. Our grown up girls don’t know our financial situation and we don’t know theirs. If they need helping out, they ask and if we’re able to, we help.
Never discuss your family’s finances with anyone, especially judgmental nosy friends.

CoffeeaAndToddler878 · 27/10/2025 17:10

Don't talk money and salary / benefits with anyone. Not even friends.

Everyone is struggling in one way or another. Bringing up this kind of conversation will do nothing but bring up someone's own frustrations, about money or free time etc.

Fearfulsaints · 27/10/2025 17:13

We cant all better ourselves.

First, someone has to do the minimum wage work a lot of it is essential and second there aren't enough better jobs out there for everyone capable and able to do them.

Letthemeatgateau · 27/10/2025 17:19

Now I imagine most of you will think we are taking advantage of the system

Absolutely not OP. I think you're both doing as much as you possibly can, and that the system should be supporting families like yours.

Your 'friend' sounds awful.

HardyWeinbergEquation · 27/10/2025 17:21

I agree.

I'm autistic too and how much I try I just can't work full time.

A day at work leaves me utterly exhausted after masking all day. I come home and go straight to bed. I can't even handle watching tv or having a conversation.

I am highly qualified up to Masters degree level but work part time on minimum wage.

I used to really beat myself up about being lazy, being a failure, wondering why everyone else can cope but I can't.

My diagnosis made sense for me in so many ways, but the biggest relief was that it helps to explain this part of me.

I don't claim any benefits incidentallly and am sure I wouldn't be eligible, although I have never looked into it.

I just have to accept who I am.

Luckily I have a wonderful DH.

Kunitz · 27/10/2025 17:24

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 27/10/2025 17:07

YANBU. Your friend is wrong on a number of levels, from the fact that you need to be severely physically or mentally unwell to be unable to work full time to the idea that no one needs to be on minimum wage - what jobs does she think everyone should be doing and how many of them does she think are available?

Her arguments are actually infuriating.

That’s how I was left feeling too having listened to her drone on and on for what felt like an eternity.

OP posts:
Plugsocketrocket · 27/10/2025 17:28

But surely you can see how much you’ve achieved so you have definitely grown somewhere along the way. It strikes me that you are not giving yourself enormous credit for your growth along through the years.

To address your initial question everyone’s destination is different but yes I think everyone is capable of growth and I think you are a great example of that.

TempestTost · 27/10/2025 17:31

I think there will always be a good number of people on minimum wage jobs, so your friend is not correct there.

However, I suspect that what people often feel about this kind of thing, at least on an instintual level, is something like "why is it my (societies) job to fund people who are only working part time? I also have hardships and struggles, and feel burnt out, but I don't have the right diagnosis so apparently I get no support despite how overwhelmed I feel."

So it may be that is closer to an accurate description of how your friend feels - people I think don't always articulate well on issues like that.

Bathingforest · 27/10/2025 17:33

HardyWeinbergEquation · 27/10/2025 17:21

I agree.

I'm autistic too and how much I try I just can't work full time.

A day at work leaves me utterly exhausted after masking all day. I come home and go straight to bed. I can't even handle watching tv or having a conversation.

I am highly qualified up to Masters degree level but work part time on minimum wage.

I used to really beat myself up about being lazy, being a failure, wondering why everyone else can cope but I can't.

My diagnosis made sense for me in so many ways, but the biggest relief was that it helps to explain this part of me.

I don't claim any benefits incidentallly and am sure I wouldn't be eligible, although I have never looked into it.

I just have to accept who I am.

Luckily I have a wonderful DH.

I know many people from my village back home who survive just living in the old parents houses and doing what the parents did - animal rearing, field work etc. Not everyone can go to a town and start from scratch working for a fancy employer

TempestTost · 27/10/2025 17:43

Bathingforest · 27/10/2025 17:33

I know many people from my village back home who survive just living in the old parents houses and doing what the parents did - animal rearing, field work etc. Not everyone can go to a town and start from scratch working for a fancy employer

I do think that there are probably a lot of people in work that is totally unsuitable for them. A time when a lot of people stayed in the same place, and did the same work generationally, was in many ways more supportive of many people.

bridgetreilly · 27/10/2025 17:50

Will your DS be able to live independently? If so, potentially, that will make it possible for you to manage more hours (maybe still part time but 3/4 days a week)? And if not, will you be eligible for carers’ allowance?

Gallowayan · 27/10/2025 17:58

Your friend is talking nonsense.. She may be capable of making more sense but I doubt it.

SeaAndStars · 27/10/2025 18:09

Not everyone wants more. Some people, me included, are content with a simple life, no ambition, no desire to 'better myself'. Success to me is time spent with family and friends, good health and peace of mind. I don't want more enough to stress myself out.

Sameysamesame · 27/10/2025 19:07

I'm in the same boat OP. I've tried working full time recently and burnt out. Again. I refuse to put myself through this another time - my body is telling the tale of years of high stress and trauma (due to a lifetime of caring for a sibling with severe MH diagnosis). At some point I will have to demonstrate this to the dwp/uc, God knows how, as it's only really evident when I'm full time and crash and burn. Lower my hours with wriggle room for bad days and I can cope. The thought of another ESA assessment petrifies me.

Some people are simply more able than others imo. My dp for example, has LOADS of natural energy and va va voom, is physically strong, mentally sharp, socially aware and is able to do/deal with so much more in a day than I ever am. It's just not a level playing field.

Elsvieta · 27/10/2025 19:24

Nobody "needs" to be on minimum wage? What, there are vacancies at a higher wage for that number of people? No, there aren't. And I bet your friend would be quick enough to moan if every minimum wage job suddenly just didn't get done (because everyone had left for these better paid jobs) - nobody doing all the crappy jobs that make her life comfortable. She'd also complain if the price of everything went up because those people were being paid more. She sounds dim as well as nasty.

JumpingPumpkin · 27/10/2025 19:31

Yanbu. Lots of people are capable of more, but getting there can seem daunting. And when other stuff in life is overwhelming just keeping afloat at all is tricky. I don’t know if others genuinely find life easier or have just found ways to deal with it.

StinkyWizzleteets · 27/10/2025 19:39

Just because someone is in a low wage job doesn’t mean they’re somehow less and need to be better.

This idea of bettering yourself is solely about conforming to a tenet of neoliberal capitalism that you can work your way out of poverty or to riches etc but that is an unattainable lie for the majority of the population. have a read at capitalism realism by mark fisher (not a difficult or long read and quote that back at her)

Perhaps lots of people can get more wages but at what cost? Your friend doesn’t understand what it is you have to do to get through a day without even taking work into consideration. That doesn’t make you lesser in any way . It doesn’t mean you have to better yourself, better than what? Her? The king? Ask that next time…

if nobody is there to do the low paid undervalued work because they’re all (using her words) “bettering themselves” then who will wipe her arse in her dotage?

sunights · 27/10/2025 19:40

If rents and/or mortgages were affordable it would be fine to have 1 FTE or 2 P/T incomes. The housing system is breaking people and its such a shame.

hopsalong · 27/10/2025 23:23

I agree that the ‘bettering yourself’ language is infuriating, and see no reason why you should beat yourself up about the wage you earn.

But I do think that working only one or two days a week is questionable. Being NT is neither here nor there. It is common to be non-NT (not a label I use for myself, because I am so old that I’ve had various diagnoses, medications etc long before it became a thing) and most non-NT people manage to work a lot more than that.

Perfectly reasonable not to want to work any more (who wants to?!), but a preference doesn’t become a right.

strawgoh · 27/10/2025 23:29

Your so-called 'friend' says this and that and the other, and in doing so, she makes you feel really awful.

She is no friend.

It's time to end this friendship.

SweetnsourNZ · 27/10/2025 23:53

Plugsocketrocket · 27/10/2025 17:28

But surely you can see how much you’ve achieved so you have definitely grown somewhere along the way. It strikes me that you are not giving yourself enormous credit for your growth along through the years.

To address your initial question everyone’s destination is different but yes I think everyone is capable of growth and I think you are a great example of that.

Good point. We don't all start from the same starting block.

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