To wonder if the rise in gender confusion is due to

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The levels of oestrogen in water? For many years now the levels of female hormones in the water supply has been steadily building up, due to the use of hormonal contraception, which cannot be filtered out of the waste water, as well as agricultural practices which contaminate water due to run off from fields into the water supply. This has been affecting marine life for a long time, so it stands to reason that it’s also affecting humans.

I’m sure there’s other factors too, there seems to be a disproportionate number of SEN teens confused about their gender, so maybe it’s a feeling of not belonging for them which leads them to think that they must have been born in the wrong body and that’s why they don’t fit in. But is it possible that there is a rise in genuine confusion in males feeling like females due to the female hormones they’re ingesting every day?

Disclaimer - I’m not a scientist so happy to be corrected!

Definitely nothing to do with sissy porn and men getting off on the ‘humiliation’ of presenting as women who are obviously inferior beings who exist only to benefit them and have no human rights of their own. Of course it is only the label on the toilet door that matters, not the non consenting women in the space.

I've known about oestrogens in the water and plastics for years. I don't think it has any connection to trans stuff but it does show up in physical ways. Far more men nowadays have moobs and also you see alot of men who have very curvy hips when they really shouldn't have any at all.

I think a lot of it is down to rigid gender norms leading to children thinking they are the opposite to their actual sex if they like the "wrong" things.

When DS1 was a baby (born 2004) most baby toys were bright, primary colours. Red/blue/yellow/green.
When i had DS2 2 years later they were nearly all available in a "boys" version (blue and green) and a girls version (pink and purple)
So many of my friends said how lucky I was to have a second boy as it meant I didn't need to re-buy everything in pink like they did. Absolutely mad!

There’s more money to be made convincing children and parents that their children are trans rather than gay.

It is also a social contagion that some parents jump on so that their child who doesn’t fit in with their peers can have a ready made group.

It also fits the groomer’s dream of having a generation of young people who accept their autogynepholia.

@IronSpam wrt autism there is a link to eating disorders that is physiological rather than psychological in terms of identifying bodily states - cold, hunger, pain etc. DS2 had a high pain threshold that lead to medical staff not recognising perforated ear drum, prolapsed bowel and severe tonsillitis on initial presentation prior to examination because he seemed OK. This inability to recognise bodily states also means he has difficulty recognising hunger or feeling full.

It’s also common for young autistic people to feel they don’t fit in with non autistic peers (regardless of sex) prior to puberty and believe they are alien. Gender, feminity and masculinity are social constructs and very confusing for those with a social communication disorder. If you are biologically male but feel different to other boys where gender identity is key, then maybe you are really a girl even if you don’t feel like a girl either. And vice versa.

Gender identity is a social construct. I don’t have one. I don’t feel female and don’t even know what that means. I didn’t fit the gender stereotype of my youth and definitely don’t fit the current surgically altered gender stereotype but I am biologically female and this has impacted on life chances (combined with social class), effected how others view me and on my life experiences in child bearing and rearing.

Simple answer: autistic teenagers living online and the resulting meme-like spread of gender ideology. Anime / gaming avatars / furry culture / dragon fandoms are the gateway drug as it were. This quickly leads to darker spaces and pornography. For middle-aged men it's a heady mix of sissy porn / AGP (and autism to a smaller degree) plus narcissistic traits. Plus sometimes a genuine reluctance to see themselves as gay / bisexual due to homophobia (internal and / or environmental).

I think that sometimes it’s better to just nod and say that’s nice dear now what shall we have for dinner. Nothing to rebel against, keep them busy and off screens and a lot of these fads will die a quiet death.

Our high school is actually really decent about this sort of thing, kids can use unisex (self contained loos) there are unisex changing rooms with cubicles if unwilling to use the communal changing room for your sex. Teachers roll eyes about the weekly name changes from some pupils, it’s almost weaponised. Other kids don’t care but it’s not a bullying thing.

It’s sort of quietly dying a death. We are country bumpkins though, I suspect farmers kids have a more solid grasp on biology than urbanites.

I blame the vaccines. If not the vaccines, then it’s definitely Keir Starmer’s fault.

Thing is, we all drink the water. I’m 45. I have loads of friends from school and my early life who are trans and non-binary. They were just as gender non-conforming back in the 90s when we were teenagers as they are now, except now there is a name for it and the Daily Mail has worked the peasants into a frenzy about it. But I don’t see much difference in terms of young people today and my friends when I was in school other than just more acceptance today that not everyone fits neatly into comfortable boxes.

I think this is true. I wanted to be a boy as a teenager, puberty hit I shot up to 5 11” I felt really lanky in comparison to my dainty, feminine peers. I filled out eventually and sort of grew into myself. I suspect had these organisations existed then I’d of been led firm a fifferent path which is why I advocate watchful waiting.

I think there are more girls feeling like boys so I don't think it has anything to do with estrogen.

That's interesting - when you say they're gender-non-conforming do you mean their behaviour etc doesn't conform to that commonly associated with their birth sex, or to that of the gender they identify as?

The difference is that today people are reaching conclusions 1 or 2 in my post above from 12.39, rather than conclusion 3.

I’m a similar age to you and I didn’t have any peers when I was young who were trans. The ‘thing’ back then was to experiment with sexuality. Of course some really were gay, but in the vast majority of cases it was a passing phase. Being trans seems to have taken over from that.

I’m not sure where you are getting your statistics from but approx 1.7% of babies are born what is classed as intersex conditions.

Specifically ones that involve both ovaries and testes? Or are you now talking about something else i.e. all DSDs?
Some of these are very common ( eg Kilnefelters) - but it would be absurd to claim that they are in any way confusable with being "born with both male/female reproductive organs".

Which conditions are you talking about that one individual is seeing 10+ every month?

It Is 0.018%

The fact that you call them by the derogatory term ‘intersex’ rather than disorders of/variation in sexual development or congenital reproductive disorders show you are repeating transactivist statistics rather than those or medical professionals. People with these conditions are not some ‘other’ sex - they are either male or female.

It’s probably not so relevant to the direction of this thread now, but I think it’s interesting that freshwater fish change sex out of pattern (and damaging to their continuation) because of pollutants including pesticides and the birth control pill.
I wonder how damaging such pollutants are to humans in the longer term - I appreciate we don’t change sex as fish do, as we are made differently, but the same pollutants do still affect our hormone levels and fertility- so I guess they may also affect other parts of how we are physically and mentally.

It's actually 0.018%. People wrongly added conditions like PCOS and got 1.7%. The 1.7% is a debunked myth that was pushed by trans activists.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

As to 'non-binary', well, everyone is non-binary. No one is 100% adhering to their gender stereotypes 100% of the time. Non-binary is simply a label to make someone feel 'unique'. It really means f all, because everyone, by definition, by practice and by default, is not 100% binary. That's the joke with this. Non-binary simply means you're the same as 100% other human beings. And:

Regardless of that debunked stat, there is someone claiming that they see "several cases a week" of babies "born with both male/female reproductive organs."

If this is true, it's huge and probably one of the most drastic increases in a medical condition that I've heard of - hence my wanting to find out about it.

But I'm just being given a vague unevidenced figure about anything classed as a DSD in general (as far as I can see) when I've asked about it. If you simply got it wrong @Luna6 please do say - no-one will think badly of you.
I'm interested to know what it actually is that has increased in the way you are talking about.

'out of pattern'. I think if anyone bothered to ask the fish they'd probably say they were sick of being male-fishsplained to and thought they'd swap over for a bit to get some headspace and perhaps someone talking to them about the seaweed removal job required on the fish-car rather than deferring to their male husband fish.

I can see why young woman find it appealing to want to be like those fish.

Maybe I got the terminology wrong - I am not a scientist. I am going on what a paediatric surgeon told me. Their job is to operate on babies who are born with some form of DSD. A decision has to be taken as to whether they are male or female. They commented that this was quite rare at the beginning of their career but it much more common now. The thought was that it could be down to the contraceptive pill - especially if people fall pregnant while taking it. It is worrying that these things are becoming more common.

I work in a mental health profession and completely agree with this comment. I very rarely come across people where I would feel genetics is the root of their need to transition - the rest have unfortunately experienced trauma which has resulted in their decision.
A reasonable number of clients I’m in professional contact with, have reversed their decision to transition once the early trauma has been addressed.

’out of pattern’ was my poor attempt to explain that more freshwater fish are changing to male to female without the normal reasons for their change - eg/ limited fish to mate with - this is then damaging to their continuation as a species.
There also seems to be some feminisation of the hermaphrodite male though it’s not at a point where it should need to change to be female so there is disruption there as well.
I’m not sure how to explain it better but I wonder what these damaging pollution effects as seen in the fish are having on humans though not in a trans sense as fish don’t choose, nor have a concept of gender.
As it happens I also wonder about bees who were starting to lose their homing navigational systems due to pesticides - again damaging their population.
I think we ought to pay closer attention to what is happening in other animals due to our treatment of the environment but whilst no scientist I just do find it fascinating how much we can be altered by outside factors.
I am obviously only talking about sex as fish are not gendered nor would they understand gender - maybe it’s interesting more go male-female than female to male recently - if they understood gender and gad an actual choice in their sex change then we could hope they found female the best to be!