To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

Wow. I manage up to 24 people daily (changes based on the day, part time cobtracts etc) on a 0.8 contract and earn 36k per year. Public sector sucks 😂

Just decline the offer if it’s not worth it to you. It seems reasonable though and I’m not sure why you’re so insulted by it that you’re saying tell them to stuff it.

I line manage 4 people and get paid no more than others on my pay grade that have no line management responsibilities. It’s not the way it works with our pay grades, but it does mean should I want to go for promotion I might have a better case than them (but not necessarily).

I think the pay offer is reasonable but the idiotic tax system means it’s not worth taking on the extra responsibility and hassle given the impact on your take home pay.

If it was me and line management was something I was happy with I'd shift 20% into pension contributions and then plan to retire 5+ years early or however much depending on how much longer you have to work.
20% uplift is huge. I'm my last company (big 4) my senior manager retired and my manager was given his role whilst retaining his old one, went from managing 5 to managing upwards of 20, had to work 80 hour weeks often 7 days a week and was given sweet fuck all. Most places have given well under 10% for adding line management responsibilities.
If you don't want the responsibility that's fine, but this is a very generous increase to salary.

That’s a reasonable offer. In the public sector you would just be expected to do it

I work for the local authority and managing 3 people would take me up a grade and I'd earn £42k instead of £40k. Is MN the SM site of the elite? So many posts acting like earning over a 100k is the norm and being offended by salary offers that would be a dream for the majority of people.

Sounds amazing to me but then I took on 5 direct reports for a measly £5k payrise - the amount of extra work is ridiculous, I'd much rather be on £5k less and have less stress!

I'm with you, OP. Going from managing no one to managing 3 people is a big change - an 8k after-tax pay rise (max) in exchange isn't the most generous thing in the world. As with others, I'd either say "No" or say "I'd be happy to do that, but I'd want to be looking at a salary of X in exchange". You can use https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php to do rough take-home change estimates personal to you.

I find the NHS comparisons a tad strange. That’s a passion job - I agree it’s underpaid, but people willingly do it.

And where do you think the McDonald’s staff in the London branches live 🙄

I accepted a similar 20% payrise in July to take on a team of 4, as well as more responsibility, so your situation seems fair to me. My friend earns half that managing a team of 70, so, with perspective, sometimes dealing with 3-4 professional, self-motivated people isn’t quite as time consuming or as difficult as one may assume.

They live in outer London, and they're on UC to top up their wages.

Given your comments in the OP and the way you are responding to people on this thread, I honestly don’t think people management is for you, regardless of how much they offer you to do it.

I dont think that's an insult at all. Rather than considering the number of people you'll manage what work will you be responsible for? I recently retired but had 180 people in my org and was on 140k. I have included these details to make the point that salary doesn't increase in line with the number ofreports.

Not to the tune of 105k!!

Well, yes. But that is not the point you seemed to be making?

LOL my line manager makes less than me! (And a lot less than OP).

Given OPs people skills on this thread, probably best not to line manage anyone for any price.

But 200% increase in aggro!

I think that's a bit patronising. When you enter a career you don't often know the pay trajectory or how much you will need the money when your life has moved on decades later.

I'd take the money, siphon it into pension, give it a couple of years, and look for something different if it's not what you want, unless you've young children who'll sense your stress.

Read the first few posts and was wondering if you were for real. Came to this one and realised nope, absolutely just being a goady fucker.

I don’t really understand what you are so angry about. If you don’t want to do it, don’t. If you’re so sure you would just walk into another role do that. No one in forcing you to do anything.

And still no response about what you have done to assert yourself / negotiate!! Which I suppose is an answer in itself fu*k all just mumsnetted about it!

I earn a less than this and have more people reporting to me in a business that makes a lot of money
but I’m also grateful for my job and salary as I know it’s still well above the average salary a lot of people get and given the current climate I would never question it to them.

£125k how dreadful for you.

Is he not able to?