To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

Never acceptvtbe first offer, tell them what you expect

You already earn a great salary. On paper it’s a good uplift. I take it you’ll be managing them in work time, so you’re not required to work more hours.
if you don’t need the money then don’t do it.

That’s incredibly patronising. Thank goodness we have people who choose to work in health and education. Certainly not a passion job.

I would take it and stash the £20k in your pension. Every time the staff piss you off, just think of the pension uplift.

It also gets you well into the dreaded £100k - £150k bracket, which likely means your next job will be above £150k. If you declare a current salary of £105k when you next move jobs, you’ll be unlikely to get >£150k. If you declare £125k when you next move jobs then you likely will. It shouldn’t work that way, but it does.

They could insult me with that salary anytime they wished. Nice not so stealth boast OP.

I'd love to be insulted by an offer of £125k. What do you do, OP?

I'd see this as an investment in your future. Not sure how old you are but all the payrise and a bit more would need to go into your pension as the tax between £100k and 120k is brutal due to the loss of personal allowance. I know you'll already know this. Future you will thank you though.

I earn less and manage multiple teams across UK & Europe.

I think it’s a good offer in the current climate, where efficiencies are being made.

People management can be a real
headache, but in a world where tech is rapidly evolving and AI is able to streamline tasks, it could futureproof your career and make you more valuable (industry dependent).

After tax increase... It's not worth unless you are scrabbling around frantically for school fees etc.

Stick to your guns.
I was approached for a role today by 2 people from the same organisation. It is a project manager role, but they want me to go on the payroll at a net salary that is 66% below what I was earning last year.
I have 25+ years' experience and have managed multi-million € projects. Plus it is 5 days a week in the office, which is about an hour from my house.
I am letting the process continue for the moment as I suspect I am too experienced and over-qualified, so will probably not get to the interview stage.
A good friend of mine worked in a managerial role at IBM, she had 4 direct reports and did nothing else apart from manage them. I do not think she enjoyed it very much.

That sounds like a fantastic deal. I get paid the same as your increased salary and also have 3 direct reports - it’s not a paid for extra though, I have both had reports and not had reports on this salary, as have my peers.

Insults a bit of a weird way to describe the offer. Surely its a starting point for negotiation

It’s not that bad to be insulting. Is it worth taking it for the sake of job security, positioning yourself well in the new structure and future career progression?

So basically around £7.5K pay rise for managing extra staff or around £625 per month?

That still seems ok to me, but there again if you’re already earning £5700 a month then another £600 in London probably won’t feel like much.

You can either ask for more (but it would have to be a lot to make much of a difference) or just forget about it.

If taxes mean the addition take-home isn't worth the headaches associated with being a manager—and you're not worried about holding this job, if they decide to find someone to take your place—it doesn't matter if the salary is insulting or not. (Unless you're so insulted that you want to leave immediately, which doesn't seem to be the case.)

You can simply reply that for reasons X,Y & Z, you're not interested. If you have a specific figure in mind, you could suggest as much, but since it's not something you particularly want to do, anyway, you can simply decline the offer and see what happens next.

Humour me - why do people work for the DNHS then? As all you hear is about the crap conditions, low pay, understaffing etc. A passion job is exactly what it is.

I’d most likely say no, as I don’t want to manage anyone.

I earn around £125k and don’t manage anyone thankfully!

I was thinking that. I recently got a promotion to a higher grade in the Civil Service and a big part of me applying was there was no foreseeable LM duties. But there’s talk of a slight restructure also where those of a similar grade to me have been told it may result in some of us being asked to LM 1-2 staff. I am of course mortified 😅 but will have to suck it up along with my existing workload. You’re just expected to more effectively prioritise and time manage and reach out for support ad hoc. You certainly don’t get offered monetary recompense for it though - but I guess that’s why so many professional people choose private sector over public, the pay is always better and little perks like this obviously come into play.

For those asking, I work in the finance industry.

Well, I took a payrise of just £29,000 earlier this year, in another department, with an extra 6 mile round trip to work. I went from £333,000 a year to £362,000 a year. So I'm on the fence.

If you don’t want to progress further in your career with this company then decline the job. If you want the challenge and the stepping stone to earning 140k plus then accept it.

Jesus I not only Like Manager 25 people I’m a Head in the business and don’t earn near to that!

An extra £20k / 19% to take on line management is a very good increase and way more than I’d be offered by my private sector decent paying employer.

However the fact that you seem insulted by it would make me assume you do not think it’s a good offer and therefore you should turn it down. Also consider what you are going to do with it - if it’s all going into your pension then it’s a genuine £20k increase to you future but if not your tax will be high on it.

There seems to be a lot of jealousy that the OP has a job that pays well. I assume they worked and/or studied hard to get that role. They also appear to know their own worth.

@Willowtree5, if your job will remain safe, turn it down. If your job relies on this, take it and start applying elsewhere in the meantime.

Nobody on here knows if you are worth more money. The percentage rise is fairly high so I don'treally know why you are complaining.