To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

£633 more a month on a basic normal salary with no pensions etc

105 - monthly takehome - 5,871.45
125 - monthly takehome - 6,504.79

What is wrong with having a high opinion of oneself?

Gutter mentality, we should ALL be demanding more from employers who laugh while they hoard the profits.

Totally agree

It's obviously not going to be a full-time role "managing" a team of... three!

£20K is a fair compensation for the faff in my opinion but if you don’t think it’s worth to negotiate for more, or to lessen your existing workload or just say no thanks 🤷🏻‍♀️ don’t get hung up on someone who would do it for 20p elsewhere it’s not relevant

Your responses to people highlighting lower annual salaries/increments makes you sound like a bit of a twat OP

I think it depends how you express it. There's nothing wrong with high self esteem but she's been scathing towards those doing what she seems to perceive as lesser jobs.

I think realistically its an annoying amount because of pushing you into the next tax bracket, so I wouldnt do it on that basis. Especially if you hate management.

But then I managed 18 people on 32k and it caused me so much stress I swore off management for life....

This, it’s not really worth it. I would say no

It's all relative.............no point in comparing the OP's current salary and the uplifts with someone else who is in retail at £45k managing 6 people. We don't know what line of business the OP is in.

On face value - she's currently earning just over £100k with no direct reports....for an additional £20k she will have 3 direct reports - I'm not sure if her job will also evolve (take on more responsibility ontop of managing 3 people)

In my eyes it doesn't seem worth it from only this info. Is this techincally a promotion? Will you have more leadship responsibilities? Will this mean you have more career progression - if the answer is yes maybe you have to weigh in the benefits of having a higher profile at work vs a smaller increase in pay. However if everything remains the same and you are just managing 3 people, where you'll have less time to do your own work, less flexibility, more mental work load....then maybe I wouldn't go for it.

Really? Where?

Agreed.

This has car crash stamped all over it.

You haven’t said what your bonus is. So the marginal tax rate might already not be an issue.

but no, it doesn’t sound like this role would play to your strengths

It depends whether that increase is worth, to you, the ball ache of managing. Everyone is different. Could you delegate any of the ‘people stuff’ to a deputy or team leader? Personally managing people is my idea of hell, but I’d certainly do it for an extra £20k. Maybe even £10k.

I manage 4 people and I'm on £28k. What do you do to earn over £100k with no line management responsibility?

It depends on what you want to do longer term. Lots of people struggle to get promotion to leadership roles because they don’t have line management experience. If you’ve already got this or aren’t looking for career progression at the moment then it sounds like the pay increase won’t be enough for you to want to do it.

If this gives you better career prospects longer term, £20k looks like a fair and reasonable uplift.

The pay band you’re in of just over £100k is one you don’t want to get stuck in because of the tax implications. But if you’re lucky enough that your pay and career are heading that way then the trick is to get promoted through it as quickly as possible.

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I know people who are earning less than half of that who manage teams of at least ten people

It's not an insult. 🙄. Either accept it or not. No drama needed. 🤷‍♀️

I managed a 29 bedded hospital ward staff, as well as patients and their relatives - for far far less money. You definitely work in a different world! don’t accept it if you don’t want the extra responsibility

Personally I think that’s a pretty hefty increase. However if you don’t want to do it don’t.

Then she can turn it down and carry on as she is or turn it down and sod off somewhere else. What is ridiculous is the huffing about “insults” for an approximate 20% increase in salary with the only additional expectation being to manage three people.

Its the faux outrage which I suspect triggers the eyerolls. It certainly triggered one in me even if I didn’t add it to my post.

In the kindest way, you should never accept this cheeky fuckery from your employer. If you suddenly asked to relinquish some of your responsibilities, they would absolutely impose a pay cut on you.

I'm guessing lawyer or accountant. Or some kind of business role, like an internal management consultant, but without the people hassle.

£20k at that level is circa an extra £680 a month. OP loses approx 12k in tax.

Not an insult OP but not something I would take on for that level of tax especially if you get help with nursery fees.