To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

The six figure salary plainly didn’t require manners judging by your attitude to people you have asked for thoughts. The question of whether or not someone else will take the role is relevant and not covered by your previous posts. An alternate person taking on the role can result in more changes which affect you.

20k increment (plus the associated increase in bonuses calculated on a percentage bonus) is pretty standard for a grade hike for those only just breaking the 100k level. There are not many jobs which would give a grade hike for managing only three people.

However since you don’t need or particularly want the job tell them to stuff it and move elsewhere.

The problem with people comparing here is that we don’t know OP’s sector or role.

The other main issue is the salary bracket here. Whilst £20k sounds a lot, you start losing the personal allowance. The net difference is £633 per month. This is £146 per week and less than £4 per hour to deal with all the grief being a manager brings. I can see why she’s not happy

I suspect this is a wind up, as the OP isn’t really engaging.

OP - just tell them to ‘stuff it’.

I think it's reasonable too. If you don't want to do it just decline. No need to feel insulted.

Have you tried relocating? Asking for flexible working? Your domestic setup is not a factor for your .

if you have nursery age children you still have a lot of career left.

a) stay where you are because it suits you
b) decide you need management experience to progress.

I know a CEO of a charity in London. 40 staff, £70k. She earns £20k more than head of department.

£20k certainly not insulting

Take it or don’t but no need for drama. What do you think it is worth?

No

Judging from your OP and subsequent replies, no I don't think you should take on the line management responsibility.

Many people do on salaries much less

The notional 60% only applies if you are tapping into all the salary sacrifice schemes and have already maxed out your pension contributions. It is still the stepping stone to the next salary rung.

The salary hike is what it is - 20k. If the OP doesn’t want it they are entitled to tell them to stuff it but if you want to progress, at some point you have to bite it and work through to the next level. It is still a substantial salary by any standards.

My middle managers are about this level - I’ve yet to have one turn down the promotion because their proportional tax (after maxing out pensions at 40% tax relief) is too onerous.

If you are confident id take the money and walk.
I'm in IC roles and they are in many ways preferable vs line mabngenent roles (I moved into IC for more £££ having come from managing a team of about 20)

According to her she'd walk into another job with no difficulty 🙄

Why the rolleyes? OP clearly has skill that is valued, managing people doesn't need to be part of that.

I do not think 20k increase is an insult. You might be able to ask for a bit more. If it is not worth it, that is fine. I'm assuming this is a middle management role so in my experience, in those positions the salary is not significantly bigger than regular working bees. That's why c-suite are able to get the big bucks

I'd do some careful maths on this. On the one hand, it pushes you into a banding where you lose other reliefs so what's the take home. Employers will be aware of this so you do have the opportunity to illustrate why you can't take the hit.

On the other hand, it's +£20k on your base which will increase your employer pension contributions and increase your bonus which is typically calculated as a % of gross salary so there are other hidden benefits.

Lastly, while you can up and go easily it would appear, is the next step on your career require line mgmt in which case there are other progressions. But if you don't want to manage people long term and specialist roles are common then a polite decline is fine, but will mark your card.

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Don't take it. Yes, it's an insult.

Really? It’s a 20 percent increase, I think it’s reasonable.

Would OP's company be able to take on a manager at £20,000 to manage a team? No.

So have you asserted yourself @Willowtree5 ?

Have you tried to negotiate a better deal?

Or have you just started a mumsnet thread about how insulted you are?

It seems like a reasonable amount. What figure were you expecting? Assuming your bonus is calculated as a % then that will also increase.

I guess only you can decide whether an additional £20k is worth the extra responsibilty and can always decline the offer if you decide it isn't worth it.

Yabu op and that’s coming from another single parent, your circumstances are largely irrelevant to your employer. If you aren’t interested in the job that’s fine.

Don't you see she has the brain of a nail tech . I'm taking the micky

She seems to have a high opinion of herself and has been pretty rude to some people on this thread.

@Andprettygood Indeed

You didn't want to manage and you feel the increase is an insult so it seems straightforward to me.
Not sure why you posted