To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

Also, OP, they are coming in with their absolutely lowest ball offer. I reckon they would double it, to save them the problem of managing those people.

These days, there's so many people out of work that salaries/uplift etc seem to be much lower than in the past, in real terms.
Work out how much it would mean for you in reality (pensions, holidays, extra childcare costs if relevant etc) and then make your decision. But without wanting to sound negative, and I don't know your field, it's not easy to get the pay and conditions a lot of us used to expect,

Only if you think that those on less than OP have the sole authority to determine the ‘tone’ of her own thread.

If really doesn’t matter what other people make in other jobs managing more people. What matters is what’s normal in her industry. If others in the same position are making more than £125k then it would be an insulting offer.

£125k takes her over the 60% cliff edge, and as such may not be worth it when considering what she would actually be getting in return for the increased level of responsibility she would be taking on.

Please do not pass your mindset to your kids, ever.

It also depends on the type of work. If it’s, for example three lawyers/accountants, where you are personally responsible for their work then no, 20 k more at that tax level is not worth it.

If, as you have mentioned, you can easy walk into
another volunteer for redundancy, bank the cash and have a good buffer.

I’m OUTRAGED on your behalf OP

I can't stand managing people but even then it sounds like a reasonable uplift.

When I managed people I only earned a few quid more than them per hour. Though obviously this was pretty low level work compared to your job.

Restructure, you say?

If you won't do it, perhaps someone else will.

Are you in a take it or leave it position yet?

Yes, OP has made that clear.

The problem, OP, is that you've included your salary, and because its quite a high salary, you're just going to be inundated with people telling you how much less they earn and how much harder they work/how many more people they manage (without the faintest idea what you actually do for a living, what a standard salary is in your industry etc.).

I think if it feels insulting to you, and as others have said, the tax will mean you actually get very little extra take home, then decline it, or go back with a counter offer of what you want.

And your response?

Start a mumsnet thread 😆

The "cliff edge" is a curious taxation anomaly. Presumably some Chancellor with a bit of sense will sort it out one day.

Until then, salary sacrifice into a pension is good value,

I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land 😂

Me too.

I left a Civil Service role where managing people was expected at my grade in 2013.

Swore never to manage people again and achieved that in subsequent career.

My sister says I'm better with problems then people :-)

It helps to read all of an OP’s posts prior to responding to a thread

To me that sounds an amazing salary.

I’m a senior academic with the added responsibility of being programme lead and managing the other academics on my programme. As well as being the “manager” for over 100 students.

I get paid an extra £500 a year before tax for being programme lead and having those management responsibilities. Which takes my salary up to the dizzy heights of just under 50k!

Exactly this. Remember the silent tax between £100k and £125k - you'll need to factor that in.

Basically, if you need the extra money, try and counter but if they won't go higher, go with it. If you can do without the extra money, don't do it knowing you don't enjoy managing (which I completely get, I wouldn't go back to doing it).

This is what's so odd. "You're good at your problem-solving, professionally-trained-for job? Great! Let's give you some PEOPLE to deal with!" 🤔

I wouldn't do it, no.

I purposely avoided staff management in my current company after decades of managing large teams in senior management roles in multinationals.

I'd possibly go back to it but nowhere near worth the hassle for £20k for me. Other people's opinions will differ, obviously. I suppose if it means the difference between having very little left at the end of the month and having an extra £thousand or so, then to some people it's probably worthwhile, but if it's just more spare cash on top of other money you don't need, then it wouldn't be for me.

You only have to read some of the threads on here to see just how shit a lot of people are to manage. Some MNers' level of entitlement and unwillingness to take responsibility for themselves must make them an absolute nightmare to manage and I think that's borne out in many workplaces nowadays.

Rather than tell them to stuff it, tell them what would make it worth your while

I don’t earn that much but losing the personal allowance and childcare bit would swing it for me. You’re not as actually going to see that much of the payrise due to tax so unless you can get it all into a pension out of the way where it should be worth a lot more to you in future, the net take home difference is not enough for the change in role.
I wouldn’t do it, I do not want to manage people.

i'll do it!! I got nothing extra for adding 2 direct reports to my role! Whilst I know what the headache it can bring, I don't see that as unreasonable. You are over the 40% tax bracket anyway with bonuses I assume so there is no additional tax band to consider atm. Bung the extra in your pension and retire earlier?!!

It’s not really possible to opine on whether that’s fair without knowing a lot more about your industry and role. I’d probably be thinking less about the salary and more about whether wanting to avoid management responsibilities would hold me back in other ways, and if so does that matter?

Does their Dad not contribute to their upbringing?

How about we think £20k as percentage of current pay and OP's other roles instead of then getting huffy.

I'm on an FTE of around £25k in the voluntary sector outside London and manage just fine. If I had a price at all to manage people I'd want a lot more than 16%.