To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

Seems like a generous offer. You just hate managing people and ‘all that crap’ (your poor future direct reports), so don’t do it for their sake and yours.

This question is a complete waste of everyone’s time. How can we know what is reasonable in this situation? We have no idea what other managers are paid by the OPs employer or what additional workload this will entail.

My direct line manager (team of 4 under her) got a £1500 raise when she was promoted to that role, which was about a 7% raise. ! think her boss, who manages about 8-10 team manager at my boss's level (so overall responsibility for around 50-60 staff), gets about £35-38k pa.

When I worked for a large corporate (one of the biggest companies in the world), the rule of thumb was about 15% between levels. You are being offered 19%.

it seems like a good offer BUT from 100k to 120k you lose your personal tax free allowance and the effective tax rate ends up at around 60%. This means you will not feel much of the uplift - keep that in mind when you negotiate. Lots of people don’t know this

I remember when dh was managing a team of about 20 staff and he was earning not much over the minimum wage. It's not an insult but it's probably not worth much after tax etc so if you don't want to do the extra work i would say no.

Jesus tonight.
I’d say that is a high wage and a good offer! I know people who manage 10-15 who get about a third of that!
If you don’t want to do it then don’t, but the offer is not insulting. How can £125k be insulting?

It’s a lot, what sort of shit does absence and 121s usually give you? In my experience, it’s usually a tiny portion of responsibility, not sure how much stress 3 people could bring.

also the tax band comments are a bit of a distraction, you’ve said you get a bonus. I’m at the bottom of the effective 60% rate and the annoying this is that 60% of my bonus is tax. Once you’re above that band, you receive more of it, so seems win win to me (and if it’s a big bonus, totally pointless putting more in your pension as that’ll very quickly put you in the higher rate band when you retire)

I line manage 23 people on £54k. In London iirc, it’s about £62k for the same role. I have a high level of clinical competency and level 7 qualifications. It’s a job where people can and occasionally do, die. It’s a lot of responsibility.
If you don’t want to line manage people then how much money is really enough? I don’t think it’s an insult though. They aren’t asking for anything special.

A competent manager shouldn't find 3 direct reports too taxing, so I'd say thats a decent increase

20k a year is 12k after tax given you are in the highest bd, so 1k a month extra (or on nice holiday a year). Personally I would take it, but I quite enjoy the management part of my role, but I guess it depends how much you value you put on the extra tasks.

I took on the line management of 2 additional members of staff on top of my 1 already and got zero pay rise! I do find it hard to feel sorry for someone grumbling about a measly £20k pay rise.

More fool you for not asserting yourself and negotiating for a fair deal.

Whether the amount is an insult would depend entirely on the norms in your industry and company. In general, a ~20% uptick in pay for taking on 3 reports would be okay, in some places it would be a lot. But if people at your company normally get a lot more, then it isn’t.

It doesn’t really matter if other people think it’s a good deal, OP. The relevant question is, is the extra work worth it to you? You seem quite clear that you think not.

So it’s not at all unreasonable to turn it down. It’s probably unreasonable to literally tell them to stuff it.

Depends on who the 3 people are and how much managing is required. Overall I think it sounds like a fair salary increase on an already massive salary.

Extra 20k a year to manage 3 folk......bless

People are a nightmare OP. After tax, that £20,000 is getting you, what - £1,000 per month? £300 per person, for all that hassle?

Don't do it! Or get them to up their offer. Appreciably.

So quite a sizeable increase for three staff. I would consider that worth it - as I wouldn’t get anything like that sort of increase in the public sector (where I work). However if it’s not worth it to you, I’d respectfully decline..

This thread is really tone deaf

It’s not insulting but if you faint want to do it, decline. I don’t understand the outrage.

I'm amazed that you've managed to be on over £100k with no line management responsibilities, you've done well to avoid! London does make a difference though...
The take-home uplift in salary will probably be minimal and financially probably not worth the extra hassle. If you're looking to line manage in your future career development plans then yes it's probably a step towards that but otherwise, no.
I'd be saying 'no thanks, it's a compliment of you to ask me to consider, but I'm not your woman for it. Have you thought about X or y? They'd be great!'

For balance, some jobs barely pay the increase you are getting for the whole year.
ignore me, I'm worn out looking for new jobs that want the moon yet pay minimum wage

I manage about thirty people and it's such a chore that I'm actively looking for a job with no line management responsibility. Having said that it's a 20% uplift so it's really whether you think the extra responsibility is worth it for the effort it will take.

An approx 20% pay rise for taking on three people is completely reasonable.

Seems like an 'issue' no one can help you with then, OP. You think it's unfair – decline it then. Not sure what you want.