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Pure rage - toxic colleague has job in my new place

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Lotsnlotsoflove · 14/10/2025 21:34

Excuse the long post.

My previous job to my current one was a step up in terms of leadership and responsibility and I was excited to take on a new challenge, leading a team and creating a shared vision in a top organisation in my sector. As soon as I began the job, it was obvious all was not well in the team I had been employed to lead, colleagues refused to talk to each other or collaborate, nobody understood their role, and hugely inexperienced people had been given management roles way above their qualifications and experience. For example, it is standard in my industry that senior leaders have a PhD or equivalent and people had been employed in leadership roles with UG degree and barely two years of industry experience. One of these particular people was difficult from the start, she kicked up a huge fuss when I asked to meet all members of the team one on one (I was the line manager) to get a sense of individuals and set shared targets as we moved forward, and refused to meet me without another colleague present. I found this odd, as I had never met her ahead of working in the company and certainly hadn't had any negative interactions. In our one on one she got very angry and began to cry when I brought up that a budget line she had some responsibility for (though my predecessor was the overall budget holder) was overspending due to a misunderstanding about the allocation of funds available for particular things. It later transpired she had been hired by my previous role holder, who she was very fond of, and who had appointed her without the requisite qualifications and 'mentored' her in her role, which had meant doing all of the leadership tasks on her behalf. This could not continue under my leadership and I made it clear everyone with leadership responsibilty (and therefore salaries of £60k plus) would need to do their role.

The whole job was extremely difficult, with the management of interpersonal conflict and staff grievances happening from day one. The member of staff I allude to above was hugely central in this culture of formal grievance making and in the first six months I was there took out grievances against staff as well as complaints about our customer base on a more than monthly basis - all on the grounds of racism against her. The organisation I was in had a huge anti-racism policy and took a 'no holds barred' attitude to investigating and rooting out racism — investigations took place and inevitably there was no evidence of racism, or in one case evidence that some bias may have impacted decision making, although this could not be proven (as a senior leader I saw all the independent investigation reports, all of which cost the company many thousands of pounds). About half of the people investigated found the process so stressful that they went on long-term sick leave and then resigned from the post.

As an aside, and because it is relevant, this colleague was not the only person of colour in the organisation, or my team, although she was the only Black senior woman on my team. It is also relevant that our industry is hugely invested in anti-racism, and part of every institution includes specialist EDI and anti-racist departments (which I think is necessary, and do not in any way object to - simply to say, being cast as racist is a reputationally damaging way beyond what it might be in even most reasonably progressive workplaces).

It became obvious that she did not have the experience to carry out the role on her own, which wasn't surprising given her lack of skills, experience and qualifications. HR worked with me to support her development through coaching and leadership training, including one-to-one mentorship with an external Black leader of her choice, costing over £15k. At year's end her department had massively underperformed and an organisational traffic light system (arranged and operated by the exec board, not me) highlighted every aspect of her performance as 'red' (required urgent change).

Anyway, about a year into the role I got pregnant. During this time, my colleague's behaviour escalated. She stopped attending meetings against company policy, took out yet more grievances against colleagues and refused to meet one-to-one with any of her direct reports. Meanwhile, I was very ill with gestational diabetes, anemia and other pregnancy complications. On the day I went on maternity leave, she took out a grievance against me for racist harassment, it was completely vexatious and full of out and out untruths or completely misrepresented the facts. My company insisted I undergo the investigation process on mat leave, so two weeks postpartum I had to participate in a long round of meetings, intrusive interviews with external investigators and evidence gathering that took the entire six months of my maternity to conclude. Fortunately, I had evidence to refute every point and witnesses to corroborate my statements. The investigation found no case to answer and recommended any record of the process was struck from my record. No action was taken against my colleague (who I get is free to make accusations, and the employer is duty bound to follow them up).

It goes without saying that this was hugely stressful. I left the organisation soon after and began a case for constructive dismissal on the basis of the handling of my case, which they settled ahead of a tribunal for tens of thousands of pounds. I found a new job at the same rank in a much nicer company soon after, am thriving here and have moved on. Two years have passed. However, the toxic colleague who was let go from the last place earlier this year has somehow managed to get a job here. As I understand it from a friend at the last job she was given a severance package that included a glowing reference. I am horrified I will have to work in her proximity, and today, when I bumped into her in the staff canteen, I was overcome with emotion. I am so shocked, and seriously considering leaving a job I love, so I don't have to be near this person. Is there anything I can realistically do to move on psychologically from this? Part of me feels that I need to let it go and accept she has a different perspective on the events of our last job to me. I am not in her team at this place, so contact will be minimal. AIBU to feel so angry and upset that I need to work with this person?

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TrousersOfTime · 14/10/2025 23:22

Some good suggestions on this thread. Definitely seek some emotional support - it's sounds like your experiences in your last role were traumatic. And do try to separate your feelings about her from your feelings about how your last employer handled the situation - yes, she played a big role, but the impact on you was massively exacerbated by your employer's dreadful handling of it.
If you can have a quiet chat with your boss, I think that would be helpful - not gossiping, just letting them know you find it very difficult to be around this woman.
I'd also be looking to protect myself - any interaction at all with her, write up a note asap and email it to yourself and store it in a dedicated folder- that way if any allegations are made, you have notes to refer back to.
I'd also try to remember that your new workplace is very different to your old one, so hopefully if she did try anything, it would be handled much better. I also suspect she's much more likely to make allegations against managers and direct colleagues than against you.

Brainstorm23 · 15/10/2025 07:09

This sort of thing is so difficult. I had a colleague come to me almost in tears about someone they'd previously worked with who had told them they were applying to our employer and was almost taunting them.

The person had been in a long term relationship and this other person had broken it up and made their life an absolute misery at their former employer.

I went to HR who were predictably useless so I then had to go to the hiring manager who I knew very well and tell them. They essentially said "let's hope they're not much use" as for them to deny them a job if they were qualified and suitable for it would have opened the company up to a claim. Thankfully they weren't any use in the interview and they were able to justify denying them the role.

KatyN · 15/10/2025 07:55

I had a similar experience. Not the same scale as you but a toxic colleague followed me to a new role.
i was very tight lipped when anyone asked how we had got on in the past.
i documented all our dealings with each other and had a bullying claim upheld against him.
he left the company within 9 months.

i have a great relationship with my boss and he protected me from the start.

talk to your boss. At least to make them aware why you may under perform in front of her.

Ddakji · 15/10/2025 08:26

I know no one wants to hear this but no doubt your previous employer’s much lauded anti-racism and DEI is why such a toxic individual has come out smelling of roses and continues to be employed about her qualifications and abilities.

You’ve had some good advice here. Try not to let her spoil your new job.

I hope your DD is OK.

TypeyMcTypeface · 15/10/2025 08:35

I would frame this as having a 'conflict of interest' where this person is concerned, due to events at your previous mutual workplace which you're unable to disclose for confidentiality reasons - and ask that, for this reason, you need any contact with the person to be minimal. In other words, keep out of her way but make sure you have an official mandate to do so. I would avoid 'warning' others or anything that might be taken as spreading rumours.

FeedingPidgeons · 15/10/2025 09:00

Horrible situation OP. Being accused of something so serious as that and having to deal with it on ML must have been awful.

I honestly think that a quiet heads up to your current boss, just "we had some difficulties in our last workplace" is wise, in case she starts up again.

The most likely scenario is that she will target someone she is working with directly when she starts getting challenged and she will end up leaving fairly quickly.

Stay strong.

wizzywig · 15/10/2025 09:04

God that is shitty luck. I imagine that she will be pissed off to see you too as she will be scared that youll say something. Im sure she will try and get in first though
Any chance you can go back to your old job now that she has left? Although id have lost faith in them

Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 09:44

Ddakji · 15/10/2025 08:26

I know no one wants to hear this but no doubt your previous employer’s much lauded anti-racism and DEI is why such a toxic individual has come out smelling of roses and continues to be employed about her qualifications and abilities.

You’ve had some good advice here. Try not to let her spoil your new job.

I hope your DD is OK.

It’s a shame because while this woman definitely took the absolute p*ss and manipulated the policies to her advantage and used them as a weapon, they did genuinely advance a lot of people who would otherwise have had a harder time in the sector, and also meant things like maternity pay (6 months full pay) were sector-leading, so it’s difficult. My view is it was the backbone of my previous employer and higher-ups that was the issue, because the EDI policies definitely do not mean someone should be recruited without the standard quals or allowed to underperform and make endless vexatious grievances without intervention.

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LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 09:47

If I were you I would ask to have this thread taken down. It will be easy to identify people, and surely your settlement included not talking about the case?

Kimura · 15/10/2025 09:48

You have to tread carefully here. Your new employer should be made aware of the past issue. Would it be possible disclose the letter confirming her complaints against you to be meritless by redacting any sensitive info?

You really don't want her getting the first word in and setting the narrative. "She was investigated for racism against me, officially nothing was found but she mysteriously left the company shortly afterwards".

Every fibre of my being would want to at least verbally let them know that she used to make false complaints as a hobby, but unless you know your new boss will keep it in strictest confidence, it's not worth the risk of giving her actual ammunition.

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 09:52

Kimura · 15/10/2025 09:48

You have to tread carefully here. Your new employer should be made aware of the past issue. Would it be possible disclose the letter confirming her complaints against you to be meritless by redacting any sensitive info?

You really don't want her getting the first word in and setting the narrative. "She was investigated for racism against me, officially nothing was found but she mysteriously left the company shortly afterwards".

Every fibre of my being would want to at least verbally let them know that she used to make false complaints as a hobby, but unless you know your new boss will keep it in strictest confidence, it's not worth the risk of giving her actual ammunition.

This is an incredibly bad idea. It would be slanderous. Especially as the colleague wasn't "investigated for racism".

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 15/10/2025 09:58

I would say nothing at all.

She will hoist herself with her own petard all in good time.

And meanwhile, if you had said absolutely nothing about her then you cannot be dragged into it.

What an absolute nightmare you’ve had. I’m not surprised you reacted when you saw her again in your new place of work.

Keep well away from her.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 15/10/2025 10:00

And should you have any interactions at all be it a hello and a smile or more to do with work, keep a detailed and dated record of each one. A pain in the ass but insurance.

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 10:03

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 09:52

This is an incredibly bad idea. It would be slanderous. Especially as the colleague wasn't "investigated for racism".

Oh wait, sorry, you mean that that's the narrative the colleague would set?

I agree with @SugarPlumpFairyCakes . Don't say anything, to anyone, that could be construed as criticism of a black colleague.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/10/2025 10:05

ThinkMuchMore · 14/10/2025 22:01

Poor you. How dare they ruin your mat leave. No wonder you were triggered. I would have nothing to do with her. From my experience in the NHS, people who take out grievances, end up doing so in every job. She will probably do the same thing but with a different team this time but just keep quiet till she leaves.

She is not a happy person. You are better than her.

This.

Leopards don't change their spots, and your new employer will soon realise what they have got themselves into.

Is there a long probation period, @Lotsnlotsoflove?

Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 10:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/10/2025 10:05

This.

Leopards don't change their spots, and your new employer will soon realise what they have got themselves into.

Is there a long probation period, @Lotsnlotsoflove?

probation is one year

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Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 10:10

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 09:47

If I were you I would ask to have this thread taken down. It will be easy to identify people, and surely your settlement included not talking about the case?

It was over two years ago, and while if anyone directly involved read this they would suspect it was them, I doubt that is going to happen…and it would be pretty difficult to prove.

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Hayley1256 · 15/10/2025 10:21

I would just leave her be and the have bare minimum interactions with her.

99bottlesofkombucha · 15/10/2025 10:30

Lotsnlotsoflove · 14/10/2025 21:54

I have considered this, but I also think it could seem like drama creating and I have worked really hard to stay drama-free and get on with the job at this place.

They paid you 10s of 1000s of pounds because they investigated you on their behalf. I’d take your manager to coffee and say I really feel you need to know that this person is a big factor in my leaving- she couldn’t do the job despite huge support , mentors and external programs costing thousands and she coped with that by bringing made up grievances against just about every one she encountered and so many people just left as this bullying process was so miserable. She finally brought one against me as I went on mat leave; they investigated while I was on mat leave and ended up paying me 10s of 1000s compensation for how they handled what the investigation obviously showed to be her completely made up issues, I have receipts. I’ve just never worked with anyone who I would describe as simply toxic until I experienced her. Please keep her away from our department and everyone who you like.

Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 10:30

Kimura · 15/10/2025 09:48

You have to tread carefully here. Your new employer should be made aware of the past issue. Would it be possible disclose the letter confirming her complaints against you to be meritless by redacting any sensitive info?

You really don't want her getting the first word in and setting the narrative. "She was investigated for racism against me, officially nothing was found but she mysteriously left the company shortly afterwards".

Every fibre of my being would want to at least verbally let them know that she used to make false complaints as a hobby, but unless you know your new boss will keep it in strictest confidence, it's not worth the risk of giving her actual ammunition.

Yes that’s exactly what I am worried about. I’m not going to say anything, I will keep my counsel. I have a lot of black colleagues now who I am sure would think ‘no smoke without fire’ if she made known that she felt I was a racist bully.

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99bottlesofkombucha · 15/10/2025 10:33

Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 09:44

It’s a shame because while this woman definitely took the absolute p*ss and manipulated the policies to her advantage and used them as a weapon, they did genuinely advance a lot of people who would otherwise have had a harder time in the sector, and also meant things like maternity pay (6 months full pay) were sector-leading, so it’s difficult. My view is it was the backbone of my previous employer and higher-ups that was the issue, because the EDI policies definitely do not mean someone should be recruited without the standard quals or allowed to underperform and make endless vexatious grievances without intervention.

I support EDi But I do not support it being misused by toxic people. The second grievance that was found unfounded, I’d have sent her for counselling and told the next unfounded grievance would result in a formal warning, as continually bringing grievances that turned out to be imaginary is actually bullying of our other staff. I’d have consulted with hr and lawyers all the way, and ensured codes and policies were up to date so that her actions were suitably clear as a breach.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/10/2025 10:35

Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 10:09

probation is one year

Edited

That's great. Hopefully enough time for them to realise how toxic she is without any prompting from you.

I would say and do absolutely nothing, avoid her as much as possible, and have a line prepared in case anyone comes asking you about her.

If it's a regular colleague, something bland like, "Yes, we used to work together. It's a small world, isn't it? Excuse me, I was just on my way to a meeting."

If it's HR digging for info, maybe something more diplomatic like, "There were a few issues in our last workplace but it didn't feel appropriate to mention them."

Lotsnlotsoflove · 15/10/2025 10:39

99bottlesofkombucha · 15/10/2025 10:33

I support EDi But I do not support it being misused by toxic people. The second grievance that was found unfounded, I’d have sent her for counselling and told the next unfounded grievance would result in a formal warning, as continually bringing grievances that turned out to be imaginary is actually bullying of our other staff. I’d have consulted with hr and lawyers all the way, and ensured codes and policies were up to date so that her actions were suitably clear as a breach.

I did try to get HR to put a stop
to the grievances with a similar process but they said this could be construed as withholding her right to have discriminatory issues investigated….as I say the place was toxic.

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HelpMeUnpickThis · 15/10/2025 10:41

Lotsnlotsoflove · 14/10/2025 21:34

Excuse the long post.

My previous job to my current one was a step up in terms of leadership and responsibility and I was excited to take on a new challenge, leading a team and creating a shared vision in a top organisation in my sector. As soon as I began the job, it was obvious all was not well in the team I had been employed to lead, colleagues refused to talk to each other or collaborate, nobody understood their role, and hugely inexperienced people had been given management roles way above their qualifications and experience. For example, it is standard in my industry that senior leaders have a PhD or equivalent and people had been employed in leadership roles with UG degree and barely two years of industry experience. One of these particular people was difficult from the start, she kicked up a huge fuss when I asked to meet all members of the team one on one (I was the line manager) to get a sense of individuals and set shared targets as we moved forward, and refused to meet me without another colleague present. I found this odd, as I had never met her ahead of working in the company and certainly hadn't had any negative interactions. In our one on one she got very angry and began to cry when I brought up that a budget line she had some responsibility for (though my predecessor was the overall budget holder) was overspending due to a misunderstanding about the allocation of funds available for particular things. It later transpired she had been hired by my previous role holder, who she was very fond of, and who had appointed her without the requisite qualifications and 'mentored' her in her role, which had meant doing all of the leadership tasks on her behalf. This could not continue under my leadership and I made it clear everyone with leadership responsibilty (and therefore salaries of £60k plus) would need to do their role.

The whole job was extremely difficult, with the management of interpersonal conflict and staff grievances happening from day one. The member of staff I allude to above was hugely central in this culture of formal grievance making and in the first six months I was there took out grievances against staff as well as complaints about our customer base on a more than monthly basis - all on the grounds of racism against her. The organisation I was in had a huge anti-racism policy and took a 'no holds barred' attitude to investigating and rooting out racism — investigations took place and inevitably there was no evidence of racism, or in one case evidence that some bias may have impacted decision making, although this could not be proven (as a senior leader I saw all the independent investigation reports, all of which cost the company many thousands of pounds). About half of the people investigated found the process so stressful that they went on long-term sick leave and then resigned from the post.

As an aside, and because it is relevant, this colleague was not the only person of colour in the organisation, or my team, although she was the only Black senior woman on my team. It is also relevant that our industry is hugely invested in anti-racism, and part of every institution includes specialist EDI and anti-racist departments (which I think is necessary, and do not in any way object to - simply to say, being cast as racist is a reputationally damaging way beyond what it might be in even most reasonably progressive workplaces).

It became obvious that she did not have the experience to carry out the role on her own, which wasn't surprising given her lack of skills, experience and qualifications. HR worked with me to support her development through coaching and leadership training, including one-to-one mentorship with an external Black leader of her choice, costing over £15k. At year's end her department had massively underperformed and an organisational traffic light system (arranged and operated by the exec board, not me) highlighted every aspect of her performance as 'red' (required urgent change).

Anyway, about a year into the role I got pregnant. During this time, my colleague's behaviour escalated. She stopped attending meetings against company policy, took out yet more grievances against colleagues and refused to meet one-to-one with any of her direct reports. Meanwhile, I was very ill with gestational diabetes, anemia and other pregnancy complications. On the day I went on maternity leave, she took out a grievance against me for racist harassment, it was completely vexatious and full of out and out untruths or completely misrepresented the facts. My company insisted I undergo the investigation process on mat leave, so two weeks postpartum I had to participate in a long round of meetings, intrusive interviews with external investigators and evidence gathering that took the entire six months of my maternity to conclude. Fortunately, I had evidence to refute every point and witnesses to corroborate my statements. The investigation found no case to answer and recommended any record of the process was struck from my record. No action was taken against my colleague (who I get is free to make accusations, and the employer is duty bound to follow them up).

It goes without saying that this was hugely stressful. I left the organisation soon after and began a case for constructive dismissal on the basis of the handling of my case, which they settled ahead of a tribunal for tens of thousands of pounds. I found a new job at the same rank in a much nicer company soon after, am thriving here and have moved on. Two years have passed. However, the toxic colleague who was let go from the last place earlier this year has somehow managed to get a job here. As I understand it from a friend at the last job she was given a severance package that included a glowing reference. I am horrified I will have to work in her proximity, and today, when I bumped into her in the staff canteen, I was overcome with emotion. I am so shocked, and seriously considering leaving a job I love, so I don't have to be near this person. Is there anything I can realistically do to move on psychologically from this? Part of me feels that I need to let it go and accept she has a different perspective on the events of our last job to me. I am not in her team at this place, so contact will be minimal. AIBU to feel so angry and upset that I need to work with this person?

@Lotsnlotsoflove

I am so sorry his happened and especially how this tainted your maternity leave.

Please get support for yourself so that you dont end up leaving a job that you actually like and that works for you.

She sounds unprofessional and even incompetent.

I am sorry this happened. I say this a black woman who obviously anti-racism but I really hate it when I see / hear about other people abusing this angle to cover up their own inadequacies. 💐

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 15/10/2025 10:46

Please stop quoting the op’s long op!!!

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