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Genuine question for anti-vaxxers

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Raisinmeup · 12/10/2025 12:25

I see a lot online about anti-vaxxers and I’m trying to understand where they’re coming from, so this is a genuine question, not rage bait.

My understanding is that some parents choose not to vaccinate their children because they believe vaccines cause harmful side effects, or they just don’t trust the government and big pharma in general.

But what’s the alternative? If everyone stopped vaccinating, wouldn’t we start seeing diseases like polio coming back? That would mean more infant deaths and lifelong disabilities. It just doesn’t seem like a rational trade off?

From what I’ve seen, there seems to be a belief that immune systems can deal with these illnesses naturally, but I wonder if part of that belief comes from the fact that parents of today haven’t actually seen what a world without vaccines looks like. We’ve grown up in a time where infant death from preventable diseases is almost unheard of, so maybe it’s easy to forget how serious these infections really are.

And lastly, if you haven’t vaccinated your child and they then catch one of these illnesses, do you not end up turning to the same big pharma for the medicine or treatment anyway?

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IndoorVoice · 01/11/2025 06:58

Lincslady53 · 01/11/2025 06:47

A teenager in our village was being treated for Leukaemia, chemo had wrecked their immune system. At a hospital appointment, another child had measles, which the teenager caught from them, ans was affected very badly. Their funeral was very well attended last week. It was the measles that killed him. If the other child had been vaccinated he would have continued on the road to recovery. Get your kids vaccinated.

That’s incredibly sad but based on many comments I’ve seen on this thread, that still wouldn’t change the minds of people that are choosing not to vaccinate. I had someone respond to me incredulously that part of my decision to vaccinate might include other people’s wellbeing - they thought I must be lying. I don’t even think of myself as that altruistic, I’d say it’s pretty basic! It’s quite shocking where we’ve got to in seemingly so short a time.

TheRussiansAreComing · 01/11/2025 08:40

I wonder if Antivaxors consider the side effects of all the Ultra High Processed Food that I assume they fill their kids with.

FunMustard · 01/11/2025 18:18

WishinAndHopin · 31/10/2025 22:28

Forcing people to inject medications for herd immunity is completely unethical. Nobody should be obligated to sacrifice their bodily autonomy for other people.

Herd immunity could be better encouraged by safer vaccines and more transparency.

All that's great until it's your child dying because you refused a vaccine because your "research" means you thought there was less risk from the disease than the vaccine.

What additional evidence do you want about safer vaccines and transparency? The MMR in particular as that's the one I'm talking about here?

FunMustard · 01/11/2025 18:21

sashh · 01/11/2025 04:26

Yes to the horror. And I know this is a side tangent but I think it is important.

When I teach the BTEC unit on health promotion I play a film that is just news reports about HIV / AIDS. The teenagers are horrified. Horrified that Ryan White was barred from school. Horrified at police wearing washing up gloves at a protest.

They really struggle to get their heads around the fear.

When it came on the news the other day, I was in the car with my 14 year old. I showed him the picture of Diana meeting with the patients in hospital, and how honestly ground-breaking it was at the time. It's really, really hard to get young minds round the fact that there was a very real fear.

AlinaRawlings · 04/11/2025 01:59

FunMustard · 31/10/2025 16:03

Right, right. Not your child or my child that died, so you're comfortable being a complete pedant about the language I used?

Are you so completely ignorant to the fact that the whole "herd immunity" thing means that this child (who may or may not have had the immunisation) may have been better protected from measles if the uptake of the MMR wasn't lower than 75% in Liverpool? The only thing we know about them is that they had other health issues. And that they died.

Frankly that's a disgusting response. A child died.

It is not my child’s responsibility to risk their own health for anyone else, that’s the bottom line.

And again the child died WITH measles not OF measles therefore herd immunity was irrelevant in that case as the measles did not kill the child.

CopperWhite · 04/11/2025 07:14

Lincslady53 · 01/11/2025 06:47

A teenager in our village was being treated for Leukaemia, chemo had wrecked their immune system. At a hospital appointment, another child had measles, which the teenager caught from them, ans was affected very badly. Their funeral was very well attended last week. It was the measles that killed him. If the other child had been vaccinated he would have continued on the road to recovery. Get your kids vaccinated.

This is a sad story, but does nothing to increase trust in the medical profession which is what people need if they are going to vaccinate.

Firstly, the child died because of their leukaemia and the treatment for it. If anyone is to blame for him getting measles then it’s the hospital who have forgotten how to do infection control.

It is obvious that there will be contagious people in hospital, so you’d think the medical professionals would have enough sense to keep an immunocompromised child away from one with measles. Why didn’t they?

How do you know the child with measles wasn’t vaccinated anyway?

Jade3450 · 04/11/2025 23:02

TheRussiansAreComing · 01/11/2025 08:40

I wonder if Antivaxors consider the side effects of all the Ultra High Processed Food that I assume they fill their kids with.

Huh? How do you know they’re feeding them HPF?

TheRussiansAreComing · 05/11/2025 19:51

Jade3450 · 04/11/2025 23:02

Huh? How do you know they’re feeding them HPF?

The only anti vaxxers I know, don’t tend to worry about what they consume. I doubt they’re drug free, let alone looking after their micro biome.

Kids on cheese strings and corn flakes 😂

seanconneryseyebrow · 05/11/2025 20:03

Well that’s a load of shit. Anti vaxxers (and I know loads) are almost obsessive about food and nutrition. They feel that that makes them able to not vaccinate because they keep their kids so healthy by natural means. Also usually no meds so well into homeopathy.

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