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CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:15

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:03

Yep. But today they could only muster ‘hundreds’ of protestors on the streets in the UK. A bit of a damp squib really wasn’t it? Thing is, people are unhappy about their ‘war’ being brought to our doorstep, evidenced by Thursday’s attack of a synagogue. We’re not interested. The majority of us are more concerned with what’s happening in our own country currently, rather than whether or not we’re selling arms to a country defending themselves from a terrorist group.

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That's weird people haven't seemed too concerned about the attacks on Muslims in their own country. Barely a peep about them.

I remember back when that 17yo was in court a month or so ago for planning a terrorist attack in a mosque, he was caught with aerosols and an air gun outside a mosque, he had planned to set fire to the building, killing any worshippers inside and there was nothing on mumsnet about it. The boy had spoken online about how white people were at "war" and that he would "die for my land", seems like something people should have been concerned about. No outpouring of support for the Muslim community there though.

For people who are so concerned you are very quiet about it. Here is just a few from the past month, I must have missed the outrage about these.

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To feel like the tide of public opinion has turned against the pro-palestine protestors

Andouillette · 08/10/2025 00:17

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No. Are you hard of thinking? Empathy for Jewish people. But perhaps you are one of those who cannot separate Israeli Government/Israelis/Jewish people generally. They are not all the same thing, just in case you hadn't realised

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:22

overwhelmedsinglema · 08/10/2025 00:01

@CrossCheckinghas it really though? Can you please list all links to everything you cited! These protests always seem big when taking aerial footage in the city! But turnabouts in comparison to population are tiny!

government’s are recognising Palestine but also if you notice, they aren’t going out of their way to stop Israel. A few big celebs have spoken out, but I haven’t heard of anything in Hollywood that’s rocked the boat! Perhaps the biggest high profile action is the flotilla that Greta was a part of. In fact, why don’t some of these celebs turn up at the borders of Gaza? I’m not sure I’ve seen one?

Dude it's after midnight. Google for yourself, here are a few links to get you started. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/sep/08/film-pledge-israeli-institutions-palestinians

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/08/20/norway-s-sovereign-wealth-fund-to-divest-from-six-israeli-companies_6744542_19.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hundreds-thousands-protest-amsterdam-against-gaza-war-2025-10-05/

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0908/1532351-spain-israel/

Actors and directors pledge not to work with Israeli film groups ‘implicated in genocide’

Exclusive: Thousands of film workers join new boycott initiative criticized by Israeli producers’ group as ‘misguided’

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/sep/08/film-pledge-israeli-institutions-palestinians

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:22

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:15

That's weird people haven't seemed too concerned about the attacks on Muslims in their own country. Barely a peep about them.

I remember back when that 17yo was in court a month or so ago for planning a terrorist attack in a mosque, he was caught with aerosols and an air gun outside a mosque, he had planned to set fire to the building, killing any worshippers inside and there was nothing on mumsnet about it. The boy had spoken online about how white people were at "war" and that he would "die for my land", seems like something people should have been concerned about. No outpouring of support for the Muslim community there though.

For people who are so concerned you are very quiet about it. Here is just a few from the past month, I must have missed the outrage about these.

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Well why didn’t you start a thread on it when it happened? Clearly didn’t think it important or relevant enough to mention it yourself. Were you waiting for someone else to post? There are threatened attacks every single day against Jews - its so bad that synagogues and Jewish schools have to employ security for protection.

Strangerthanfictions · 08/10/2025 00:23

Hedgehogbrown · 07/10/2025 21:41

It's not a competition though is it? You can be pro Palestine and still think that what Hamas did was fucking vile and horrible. If you can't see that then it's you who is the hate filled moron. Killing innocent civilians and taking them hostage is never justified and no one normal thinks it is. A genocide is never justified and no one will ever think it is.

This. There is nothing NOT one thing that could convince me that two years of systemic starving of innocent men women and children in the most barbaric ways the world has seen in modern times can be justified. There is nothing to justify ethnic cleansing and collective punishment. Europe is on fire with protests millions of people taking to the streets constantly, the world knows this is wrong unfortunately those in power know but have other agendas and are choosing bombs over babies

2021x · 08/10/2025 00:26

It is possible to be shocked and appauled by the treatment of Palastine by the Israeli state, AND be appaulled of the awful crime in the synagogue.

We don't have to take sides we can support a cease fire, and aid into Gaza/Palastine.

There will always be awful people that will use any cause or narrative to behave in terrible ways.

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:29

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:22

Well why didn’t you start a thread on it when it happened? Clearly didn’t think it important or relevant enough to mention it yourself. Were you waiting for someone else to post? There are threatened attacks every single day against Jews - its so bad that synagogues and Jewish schools have to employ security for protection.

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I'm not British, I don't live in the UK it isn't up to me to tell you guys what to care about. I just observe and my observations are that unlike your claim many don't seem concerned by what is happening there at all.

Andouillette · 08/10/2025 00:30

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:15

That's weird people haven't seemed too concerned about the attacks on Muslims in their own country. Barely a peep about them.

I remember back when that 17yo was in court a month or so ago for planning a terrorist attack in a mosque, he was caught with aerosols and an air gun outside a mosque, he had planned to set fire to the building, killing any worshippers inside and there was nothing on mumsnet about it. The boy had spoken online about how white people were at "war" and that he would "die for my land", seems like something people should have been concerned about. No outpouring of support for the Muslim community there though.

For people who are so concerned you are very quiet about it. Here is just a few from the past month, I must have missed the outrage about these.

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I was extremely concerned about the Mosque attack and very grateful that nobody was hurt, unlike Manchester. I am also very pleased that the police have already made an arrest. It does not alter my feelings about anything else or my fundamental belief that all people should be able to attend their chosen place of worship without fear.

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:30

Strangerthanfictions · 08/10/2025 00:23

This. There is nothing NOT one thing that could convince me that two years of systemic starving of innocent men women and children in the most barbaric ways the world has seen in modern times can be justified. There is nothing to justify ethnic cleansing and collective punishment. Europe is on fire with protests millions of people taking to the streets constantly, the world knows this is wrong unfortunately those in power know but have other agendas and are choosing bombs over babies

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And all because Hamas wouldn’t release the few remaining hostages they have. They’re now close to agreeing their release, but how many life’s would have been saved had they released them 18 months ago. Hamas started this. If people think it was Israel’s intention to wipe out Palestines all along, then Hamas handed an excuse for them to do so on a plate. They even contributed to the starving of their people by intercepting food. All on Hamas I’m afraid..

noblegiraffe · 08/10/2025 00:31

Strangerthanfictions · 08/10/2025 00:23

This. There is nothing NOT one thing that could convince me that two years of systemic starving of innocent men women and children in the most barbaric ways the world has seen in modern times can be justified. There is nothing to justify ethnic cleansing and collective punishment. Europe is on fire with protests millions of people taking to the streets constantly, the world knows this is wrong unfortunately those in power know but have other agendas and are choosing bombs over babies

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What's weird is that there is a peace deal on the table and ceasefire negotiations going on right now and instead of protesting for acceptance of this ceasefire deal, there are mobs on the streets of Spain waving Palestinian flags and smashing up McDonald's.

https://x.com/persianjewess/status/1975191114174046521?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

The Persian Jewess (@persianjewess) on X

“Free Palestine” protests in Spain over the weekend. They seem like such peaceful and totally non violent people. 🙄

https://x.com/persianjewess/status/1975191114174046521?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

PreciousTatas · 08/10/2025 00:32

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:22

Dude it's after midnight. Google for yourself, here are a few links to get you started. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/sep/08/film-pledge-israeli-institutions-palestinians

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/08/20/norway-s-sovereign-wealth-fund-to-divest-from-six-israeli-companies_6744542_19.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hundreds-thousands-protest-amsterdam-against-gaza-war-2025-10-05/

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0908/1532351-spain-israel/

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How can you be so out of touch?

No one cares anymore about actor activists, rolled eyes is the extent of emotion these colossal tits ellicit in the vast majority.

Pretty much any cause they get behind is bound to fail. Trans activism, American politics.. what cause have they helped?

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:36

PreciousTatas · 08/10/2025 00:32

How can you be so out of touch?

No one cares anymore about actor activists, rolled eyes is the extent of emotion these colossal tits ellicit in the vast majority.

Pretty much any cause they get behind is bound to fail. Trans activism, American politics.. what cause have they helped?

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Boycotting did great things for South Africa. Cultural boycotts were part of that.

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:36

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:29

I'm not British, I don't live in the UK it isn't up to me to tell you guys what to care about. I just observe and my observations are that unlike your claim many don't seem concerned by what is happening there at all.

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But you feel strongly enough to comment on it. You don’t have to actually live here to post on MN about concerns about something you’ve read. You seem pretty vocal about the subject, and obviously concerned enough to source information and figures, so I don’t understand why you didn’t post about it at the time. It’s a bit of a cop out to say you didn’t feel it was your place to start a post on it, when here you are…...posting about it.

BewaretheIckabog · 08/10/2025 00:37

We’re all supposed to separate Hamas from ordinary Palestinians but Israel is a terrorist state - not the Netanyahu government but Israel as a homogeneous mas?

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:41

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:36

But you feel strongly enough to comment on it. You don’t have to actually live here to post on MN about concerns about something you’ve read. You seem pretty vocal about the subject, and obviously concerned enough to source information and figures, so I don’t understand why you didn’t post about it at the time. It’s a bit of a cop out to say you didn’t feel it was your place to start a post on it, when here you are…...posting about it.

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Don't blame me for the facts not aligning with your post. Like I said if you are so concerned about what is happening in your country you are pretty quiet about it. You couldn't even bring yourself to comment on the awful anti Muslim attacks I highlighted which is pretty strange indeed for someone as concerned as yourself.

Livelovebehappy · 08/10/2025 00:51

CrossChecking · 08/10/2025 00:41

Don't blame me for the facts not aligning with your post. Like I said if you are so concerned about what is happening in your country you are pretty quiet about it. You couldn't even bring yourself to comment on the awful anti Muslim attacks I highlighted which is pretty strange indeed for someone as concerned as yourself.

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Like I pointed out. There are attacks on Jews daily, and on a far wider scale. I could counter also that there are lots of attacks on women. Attacks on disabled people. Attacks on middle aged white men. This post is about pro Palestinian backlash though. Not about attacks on other members of our society. Maybe you could start another post on it so this one isn’t derailed?…...

SumUp · 08/10/2025 00:51

TigTails · 07/10/2025 23:30

I feel like there’s a whole other conversation here about what can people who DO want the UK government to stop arming Israel but who don’t hate Jewish people or want to cause public unrest actually do?

If the current way of voicing our views isn’t effective or is causing distress to people who aren’t to blame and who can’t take action (aka the average Jewish person living in Manchester or wherever) then what’s the alternative?

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Quite.

If protesters genuinely wanted to make a difference, they would press their MP for greater investment in aid for Gaza and more substantial peacemaking strategies for resolving the conflict. Trump should not be leading on this. And yet 25% staff cuts were recently announced for the FDCO.

There should also be a conversation about diverting the UK economy away from weapons design and towards more benign ways of adding to GDP / providing skilled employment.

Not only are the protests ineffective in preventing genocide in Gaza, they are providing a fig leaf for antisemites to hide behind , creating conditions that make the UK’s Jewish community feel less safe.

BewaretheIckabog · 08/10/2025 00:59

If protesters really wanted to make a difference they’d demonise both Hamas and Netanyahu but I’m hearing less about the shitty Israeli government rather than attacks on Israel overall. I wonder why that is?

TempestTost · 08/10/2025 00:59

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 07/10/2025 23:16

I would like to think that most people understand that the situation is incredibly complex and nuanced, and that neither side is blameless.

I would also like to believe that most people are horrified by the suffering and loss which has been experienced by innocent people on both sides of the conflict. The stories from both Jewish and Palestinian victims are heartbreaking.

We don't have to reduce everything to simple soundbites. We don't have to pick a side. We should remember our common humanity.

I think there is a great bulk of people who feel something like this. They think what is happening is gross, they aren't happy with how Israel has handled things, but they also think Hamas has done a lot to create - maybe deliberately - the situation.

These people haven't been the ones being heard, it's all people who are much more strongly on one side or the other.

I think now there may be more of these moderate people inclined to speak out against those who seem to support Hamas, whereas before they maybe assumed the good intentions of those people. Whereas people's view of Israel has remained more like whatever it was before.

SumUp · 08/10/2025 01:55

Yes, I hope that the majority hold more nuanced positions.

Police forces should be freed up to protect the UK’s Jewish community, not diverted to protesters who will achieve nothing positive for suffering Palestinians.

PrincessSophieFrederike · 08/10/2025 02:47

TempestTost · 08/10/2025 00:59

I think there is a great bulk of people who feel something like this. They think what is happening is gross, they aren't happy with how Israel has handled things, but they also think Hamas has done a lot to create - maybe deliberately - the situation.

These people haven't been the ones being heard, it's all people who are much more strongly on one side or the other.

I think now there may be more of these moderate people inclined to speak out against those who seem to support Hamas, whereas before they maybe assumed the good intentions of those people. Whereas people's view of Israel has remained more like whatever it was before.

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Yes, this was an awful mistake. A lot of moderate seemed to disbelieve the awful reports/videos etc of marchers chanting anti Semitic slogans. Hopefully no longer...

Custardcream84 · 08/10/2025 03:09

JKLolling · 07/10/2025 21:36

Every social media feed I have is full of irate people commenting on pro-gaza protestors.

From people commenting on Greta Thunberg sharing the picture of the starving hostage and claiming it was a Palestinian (wtf was she thinking?!) , to the student saying Israelis should 'go back where they came from', there are thousands of angry comments. Lots of the protestors hiding their faces too, and on a local Uni group people are trying to name the protestors seen today and get them removed from their courses

I'm disgusted with what I've seen today, and it feels like the tide is turning and people are seeing these protests for what they really are: an opportunity for hate-filled morons to get together and intimidate people. I feel like they've completely ruined their cause just because they couldn't wait a day to protest.

Mumsnet is genuinely one of the most extreme places on the internet/social media to be honest and the tide is very much anti Israel. Most people who are not extremely biased or quite racist can see that what Israel has done is one of the most heinous things in our lifetime - more uniquely so because our government has backed them to do it. Any kind of concept that liberal democracy type values are superior has been destroyed. I’ve seen people I would never have imagined be so anti Israel and angry at what they have seen. You’re probably looking at your own echo chamber - most people worldwide are outraged. Most people admire the bravery of Greta and the flotilla. Most people would read your post and be quite disgusted. But not on mumsnet.

user1471453601 · 08/10/2025 03:39

I don't think it's helpful to say that x did this to y, because y did such and such. Because reasoning at this level resolves nothing but does lead to more bloodshed.

So in this particular case, the horrid thing that person did in Manchester could be explained as being a reaction to the Israeli government actions in Gaza. The Israeli action in Gaza could be explained by Hammas actions on 7/10, which in turn could be explained by a reaction to "settlers" in the West bank forcibly evicting Palestiens. And on it goes.

In the end, people are dying in Gaza, Israel and Manchester ..... because?

Is it because some humans just cannot say ok, enough blood has been shed, let's forget the who started this and why. Let's concentrate on stopping it.

of course, it doesn't help that the Israeli president would likely be in jail now on corruption charges, if he wasn't President.

If a group march or don't matters not at all when you compare it to the death of someone. Albeit that someone lived in Manchester, Gazza or Isr ael.

overwhelmedsinglema · 08/10/2025 07:04

@Strangerthanfictionsgenuine question, where is your collective outrage for the other genocides and horrific human rights atrocities that are happening around the world? Where is your outrage towards Hamas for exacerbating the situation and using its own people as a weapon? Where is your outrage for Egypt for not openings it borders to help the people trapped in Gaza?

soupyspoon · 08/10/2025 07:08

Where are all the anti Hamas marches.

Down with Hamas

Free the people from Hamas

Where is the strong government rhetoric to say that Palestine could be recognised as a state if Hamas are disbanded?

Instead Palestine, with its leaders are recognised as a state. I dont agree with this and think this sets up a course that will lead to more danger and warfare.