To think maybe my NDN is a murderer?

[notanoccultexpert]

Ok, I'm going to try and make this as short as possible, but at the same time, not miss any details out. Lived in our house for 30years - about 16 years ago, a family moved in next door. Mother, Father, 2 sons and 2 daughters (who all appeared to be in their mid-late 30s). 2 daughters drove and worked, 2 sons don't drive and have never worked.

Due to his future behaviour, we nicknamed one of the brothers 'Hulk' (he's also quite stocky), so to make things simple here, we have Hulk and 'Gentle' (his brother).

Incidents when my kids were young:

1. Hulk told me he was keeping a log of when my children made noise in the house
2. Hulk splashed bleach on my ex's car when he parked outside their house for literally a minute whilst picking the kids up
3. Hulk shouted at my young son for knocking to ask for his football, and when I saw him and Gentle next, I had a go at him for it. Gentle was 'holding' his brother back, like he would attack me.

My other neighbours don't like them, THEIR neighbours don't like them.

Over the years though, I got in the habit of saying hello and it became friendly enough. Time passed and the father died, then the mother died, one of the sisters died. I knew all this because they either told me, or, in the case of the sister, they had a big funeral procession, the hearse was parked outside the house for a while, and Gentle told me she died from kidney disease.

ALL through this time, I only EVER saw Hulk out in the garden with Gentle, gardening. Only ever saw Gentle and his sister go to shops, or laundromat. Literally the only time I would see Hulk is if he was with his brother out in the front garden, or gardening in the back garden. None of them go out a lot, but if one of them was walking down the street, it would only ever be Gentle.

Last year my daughter and her partner had a bit of a parking dispute with our other neighbours. They are nice but a bit fussy, and they always asked my daughters partner to move his car when he came over...he never parked outside their house, but they felt like they needed 'more space' for their daughters car. So he would move it, out of courtesy. Until one day he didn't, which resulted in their daughter 'having' to park outside Hulks house (she really didn't need to, plenty of space outside her parents house) - so an argument between them two occurred. A few weeks later, Hulk had asked us about the back yard fence, and we noticed some vines coming through from his side. He denied it, so I opened my back gate to show him. My daughter was also there, as was his sister, and he was stood about a foot away from me (I couldn't back up cos our cat run was behind me). Because he kept rambling, i eventually said, anyway, I've got to get on...and he literally just stood and stared at me, no expression for about 5 seconds....after about the 5th 'I've really got to go', i managed to end the convo and get him the hell out of my yard. Me and my daughter were really weirded out by the way he just stared and ignored me.

But, during this convo, he kept bringing it round to the parking dispute - telling my daughter re our other neighbours 'don't let them dominate you' - not kidding he kept coming back to it, and he must have said this about 6 times...so weird. I mention this because his language was so strange...it was a parking dispute and a small one at that.

So after this strangeness, I realised I hadn't seen Gentle for a very long time. And once I realised it, I started noticing that now only Hulk was doing gardening, and it was only Hulk who went to shops with his sister (they ALWAYS go out together).

And then we (my kids and me) started talking about their back garden. It's not a huge garden, but they already had two sheds side by side at the back. The rest was really lovely flowers. Until Hulk razed the flowers, concreted over and put a massive shed on it. If you look into their garden from our bedroom window, that shed takes up about 70% of the space, then the two sheds at the back as well. There's literally no garden space left, so what he's keeping IN the sheds, no idea.

But where is Gentle? Shed went up after Gentle 'disappeared' because he wasn't helping like he usually would have. I liked Gentle. He would even knock on the door if he needed help with council or anything. I find his brother weird. Now you'd think if Gentle had fallen ill, Hulk would have mentioned it to me during that conversation. The family dynamic is very strange anyway, but I can't stop thinking about what happened to Gentle.

So, what do you think? My kids were saying maybe call the police - but what would I say?

YABU - probably just ill or died
YANBU - he's definitely killed his brother

No one is assuming a crime has been committed though, OP is relating a series of worries, all together they do start to sound very odd and worth reporting.

Investigating a potential crime, isn’t that literally a huge part of the Police’s job?

If your ND kids move out and someone calls the police to say they’ve not seen them for some time the police will quickly find they’re living somewhere else and are fine. But if they’re not fine, wouldn’t you appreciate someone thinking ‘hey, what’s going on, are the neighbours kids okay’?

Remember also the woman killed by carers in Scotland?

We should all be looking out for each other and feel able to report something to the police knowing it will be properly investigated. If everything is fine then that’s great. If not, ‘mind your own business’ doesn’t really sit well with me.

I think this a wind up. Gentle knocked to ask “about council”?? …..”back yard”….& “laundromat”.
Reads very bizarrely. Almost as bizarre as these so called neighbours.

My view is you have too much time on your hands, an active imagination, watch too many tv shows and this has blurred your reality 😁😁
Having said that, put your mind at rest and contact the police. Do let us know what they say.

If there's literally no space in the yard except for sheds, what on earth have Hulk and his sister been gardening? That's my first point. Second point, yes, you are definitely living next to murderer/s. I also think @AutumnMorning might be the sister haha

Sorry, I dropped off 🥱

Very entertaining 😂

Are you in the UK or US? I imagine the police response would be different depending on which country you are in.

I noticed you use American words like laundromat and back yard, but spell neighbours the English way. If you are in the UK you could report anonymously to Crime Stoppers.

a neighbour knocked at my door to ask for help in contacting the council. Back yard is a thing we called our garden back up North when I was a kid and 'laundromat', already explained elsewhere, couldn't recall the name British people use. Nothing really 'bizarre' there tbh.

If you say all the adult children were mid-late thirties 16 years ago, it may be that he became eligible for older people's or other sheltered housing and has moved out.

He might have have some social intervention that you were never aware of and they facilitated a move. I hope so anyway.

He might well think it’s the other side after the parking thing

Back yard is commonly used in the North of England.

I’m not going to say you’re wrong or not because we dismissed my mother and turns out our neighbours did murder a relative, but if you have strong concerns you should be directing them to the police, really.

That anyone thinks the term "back yard" is an American term is the most bizarre thing about this thread

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Yes I agree with this possibility. There was a family in Helmsley, North Yorkshire where a family member died of natural causes. The remaining family kept the body in the house. It was eventually discovered by some workmen doing repairs on the house. I would have asked the brother and sister where Gentle was but that’s me. I can understand why you wouldn’t ask them @notanoccultexpert . I also think you were right to contact the police OP. They all sound vulnerable and possibly open to exploitation by unscrupulous people.

Glad you are not my neighbour. I am lucky enough to have lovely neighbours and we all keep an eye out for each other. I would hope that if someone went missing from one of the houses, one of the neighbours would spot it and ask for a welfare check.

There is nothing wrong with a welfare check, it's the right thing to do and no, OP, I would not mind your own business!

He could be buried under the shed!! All sounds weird. Does he ever go in the shed ? Maybe put a ring camera up or something in case he’s going in the night, could be growing cannabis in there?
also seems a coincidence all the family died. He could have been poisoning them. Hopefully gentle did a runner and if living somewhere else safe!

OMG! really? wow

The next time you see Hulk why don't you just say that you've not seen his brother for a while and ask if he's moved away?

Doesn't need to be a big conversation.

Yes indeed. I believe that Americans use the term ‘yard’ for garden. Lots of us from the North had or still have ‘backyards’ I remember it was my job to swill and brush the backyard as a child. I love a backyard some have nice high walls around them and can be lovely private spaces with pots of flowers. By the way to ‘swill’ means to throw (usually) soapy water on the ground from a bucket.

OP saw the other funerals so surely she would of seen ‘gentles’ funeral as well and I highly doubt if he has been murdered he would have a death certificate

The thread title is literally 'To think maybe my NDN is a murderer'

And I thank my lucky stars you're not my neighbour either 😃

Us northerners don’t say “Get the hell outta my yard Hulk, I gotta go to the laundromat” though do we? 🤣

Ask hulk how gentle is, you haven’t seen him around in ages. Most people are terrible liars and you can gage his reaction.
Im am over thinker but this sounds dodgey to me.
Would you describe gentle as vulnerable? Nothing wrong with getting the police to do a welfare check.