To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

[AngeloMysterioso]

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

I said ‘have done very little’ - Israel is still standing despite apparently every surrounding Muslim nation wanting to wipe them off the face of the Earth. And pls don’t talk about ‘fat cat leaders’ without also talking about how Netanyahu keeps his son safe in Miami whilst sending Israeli’s son to war and also jets off in his private jet as soon as there’s any threat of danger to him in Israel.

But I didn’t say no Palestinians had been expelled from their homes. I was strongly objecting to, and pointing out the falsity of, your statement about "Jews moving to another area and ethnically cleansing the Muslims who live there".

Those sort of debates, especially on social media sadly form part of the ever growing conflict. It doesn't in anyway help matters behind the disguise of trying to educate others.

I am tired of reading such strong views and emotions that arise from misguided generalisations. The Jews, the Palestinians the Muslims, the Israelis, IDF, Hamas etc...as if everyone within these groups all believed in the exact same doctrines. It is so insulting to them to put them, as individuals, into boxes of our making to help us construct our own stories.

There can't be denying the hatred actions taken by some Zionisy groups post war BUT they didn't not represent the Jewish population at the time. They were a minority and they represented just....themselves. same thing for Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank.

Israel is a country with political divides exactly the same than every other countries. A minority applauds their far right leaders just as some British do in our country. The other political groups strongly disagree or despise them. They have their own internal views and beliefs. That includes within the IDF party.

Not all Americans are represented by the views and behaviours of Trump. As a matter of fact, even though he won the election by the way the country counts wins, he didn't win on individual counts. Then there are all those who didn't vote.

There is in the majority of cases one common fact: terror is almost always carried our by a minority group and often not supported by the group or party they represent, let alone their country. The violent act carried out by some Israeli in the settlements are usually orchestrated by less than a handful of people fuelled by revenge over acts carried out by a handful of Palestinians fuelled by hatred for the Jews. They do NOT represent anything but themselves most of the time.

We need to condemn these individuals who think violence is acceptable. They speak so loudly that their voices echo over a large population, but they don't represent these populations.

Frankly, I only see two groups in Israel/Palestine. A small minority overall of people fuelled by hate and violence who pretend to act on behalf of their people....and the very large majority of people who remain silent, horrified by the hatred and violence, who have enough of those individuals who dare to speak on their behalf, who only aspire to live in peace with their neighbours whatever their religion.

Give the haters, IDF, Hamas, or whatever group they belong to their own land and let them kill each other until they are no longer. Meanwhile, the majority who just want peace can create their own country where religion doesn't mix with politics, and they can just bring up their kids to be tolerant and fir heaven sake, finally stop referring to each other as just members of one group or another!

Those sort of debates, especially on social media sadly form part of the ever growing conflict. It doesn't in anyway help matters behind the disguise of trying to educate others.

I am tired of reading such strong views and emotions that arise from misguided generalisations. The Jews, the Palestinians the Muslims, the Israelis, IDF, Hamas etc...as if everyone within these groups all believed in the exact same doctrines. It is so insulting to them to put them, as individuals, into boxes of our making to help us construct our own stories.

There can't be denying the hatred actions taken by some Zionisy groups post war BUT they didn't not represent the Jewish population at the time. They were a minority and they represented just....themselves. same thing for Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank.

Israel is a country with political divides exactly the same than every other countries. A minority applauds their far right leaders just as some British do in our country. The other political groups strongly disagree or despise them. They have their own internal views and beliefs. That includes within the IDF party.

Not all Americans are represented by the views and behaviours of Trump. As a matter of fact, even though he won the election by the way the country counts wins, he didn't win on individual counts. Then there are all those who didn't vote.

There is in the majority of cases one common fact: terror is almost always carried our by a minority group and often not supported by the group or party they represent, let alone their country. The violent act carried out by some Israeli in the settlements are usually orchestrated by less than a handful of people fuelled by revenge over acts carried out by a handful of Palestinians fuelled by hatred for the Jews. They do NOT represent anything but themselves most of the time.

We need to condemn these individuals who think violence is acceptable. They speak so loudly that their voices echo over a large population, but they don't represent these populations.

Frankly, I only see two groups in Israel/Palestine. A small minority overall of people fuelled by hate and violence who pretend to act on behalf of their people....and the very large majority of people who remain silent, horrified by the hatred and violence, who have enough of those individuals who dare to speak on their behalf, who only aspire to live in peace with their neighbours whatever their religion.

Give the haters, IDF, Hamas, or whatever group they belong to their own land and let them kill each other until they are no longer. Meanwhile, the majority who just want peace can create their own country where religion doesn't mix with politics, and they can just bring up their kids to be tolerant and fir heaven sake, finally stop referring to each other as just members of one group or another!

I think most people are usually somewhere in between but it's the ones at the extremes who are most vocal. It's understandable to have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian plight as they are suffering and it's possible to do that without hating Israel. What's good for the palestinians can also be good for Israel - it's not a zero sum game. I support Palestinians AND I support Israelis.

No my facts are crystal clear. I'm describing what has been happening to Palestinians for decades. And because this happened to Jews does it mean the Israeli government has the right as a Jewish state to commit the same?

It's not just wanting. Those Arab neighbours (not just Muslim) tried to wipe israel out a few times. Obviously Egypt and Jordan have both accepted the reality of Israel and while it's not quite peace it's at least the absence of war which is good. Lebanon and Syria probably would if they weren't previously the puppets of Iran. We'll see what happens now.
And it's not "apparently" - it has been their stated aim.

Plus this "still standing" has come at quite the price for israel. The 1947-48 war killed 1% of the entire Jewish population (it was a brutal war). Later American support helped as the Arab bloc aligned with the Soviets and were armed and supplied by them.

And possibly with Iran (not Arab but definitely Muslim and actually no dispite with Israel other than ideological opposition to its existence) the reason Israel is still standing is due the textile factory in Dimona...

If all you want is for Palestinians is to be treated fairly, then why don't you insist that they don't have their own refugee agency and should be governed by the same rules as all other refugees?

Or on getting rid of Hamas? It prioritises destroying Israel and killing Jews, Israelis and anyone who happens to be in Israel way above working towards a safe and sovereign Palestinian state and uses its people as human sacrifices and martyrs to this end. Anyone who wants Palestinians to be safe and have all their rights should want Hamas gone.

Because it's not as easy as that, we can insist and want all we want. When they are living under control what do you expect? Also I find it sad how they are seen as refugees in the first place while living on their own land.

And BTW Yair Netanyahu is an adult in his 30s who chose to live in the US. He doesn't need to do reserve duty as he's not resident in Israel (and he wasn't a combat solider anyway for all his bravado). His other son, Avner, does do reserve duty. A minister in the Israeli government lost his son in fighting in Gaza.
Netanyahu is corrupt imo and divisive but he was in special forces and risked his life many times for his country. His sons did do millitary service and he is many horrendous things but not a coward.
Unlike the Hamas fat cats living it up in Qatar....

They chose to be seen as refugees whereas for everyone else refugee status is a legal definition.
UNRWA refugees are also living freely in Jordan with Jordanian citizenship but still somehow are refugees - whereas for every other refugee in the world, refugee status end when you obtain the citizenship of another country as you no longer are in need of international protection.
Why do Palestinians have their very own refugee agency when all the other refugees in the world only have UNHCR? Don't they want to be treated fairly like all other refugees?

You are one person. Your experience is not universal.

Well they are treated like them. In their own homes. They were displaced and kicked out of their homes and raped and murdered and are still under control of the Israeli government. Why shouldn't they?

Don't forget that EVERYWHERE in mandarory Palestine that the Arabs held in 1948 was 100% ethnically cleansed of Jews, including the old city of Jerusalem and Jewish neighbourhoods. Not one Jew left. Why? Hebron had been ethically cleansed of Jews nearly 20 years prior BTW. In fact, given the large Arab population left in Israel, they were nowhere near as good at ethnic cleansing as Arabs have been.

Maybe better to look at it in the context of the time with massive population displacements based on ethnicity/religion: between Greeks and Turks, Armenians and Turks and Azeris, between Muslims and Hindus in India, ethnic Germans in eastern Europe. Hundreds of millions of people. but somehow only the Palestinians have remained refugees and must return?

Similar experiences to the Congolese, the Sudanese, the Ukrainians and countless other conflict stricken areas. The Palestinians don’t have a stranglehold on misery.

The indigenous populations of America and Australia and Canada… on and on forever. Humans are really good at inflicting pain on each other.

How are Jordanian citizens living in Jordan under israeli government control?

And living under control of anyone is actually not a definition of any refugee - you're making stuff up as you go along.

Refugees (other than Palestinian) by definition have been displaced from their homes, crossed an international border and are in need of international protection. If you haven't crossed an international border (i.e. you are living in palestine) you are not a refugee according to the definition that applies to everyone else. If you have acquired the citiznehsip of another country, you are not a refugee (unless you're palestinian) as you are no longer in need of international protection. That's how it works for everyone else, no matter where they are from in the world or what atrocities they might be fleeing.

No one said they did, but when a state is forced to live under control within their own homes and forced out why should they accept that? Palestinians were in their homes first and forced to live as second rate citizens the whole time. I'm not saying one refugee group is worth more than another or deserves more. I'm just saying they shouldn't have to be forced out as refugees and accept that.

@Ayoopkid don't get upset by this. you are demanding a paradigm shift by someone who is simply not ready for it and prefers to ignore and belittle as what you say challenges some very entrenched views based on misinformation.

Your experience is important and you have valuable insights that others simply don't have.

I didn't say that them living under control makes them a refugee, I said it's shocking they are called that living in their own homes, who shouldn't have to be forced out.

Did I deny their experience? I have not ignored anything and there is no misinformation. Factually their experience isn't universal which is correct?

so why do Palestinian refugees have a different definition to every other is one refugee group is not worth more than another?
Why do they have their very own refugee agency, UNRWA, whereas every other refugee in the world has only UNHCR?

They are the ones calling themselves refugees, no one else. They haven't been forced anywhere.
My grandparents were ethnically cleansed. Can I call myself a refugee?

I don't know and honestly that isn't my point. Because regardless they are no better off and that is my point. I'm not going to down the route of what about-ism comparing different refugees in different wars and contexts. We are talking about Palestine, and again all I wish for is for them to be given a fair life and treated fairly as ordinary Israeli citizen's considering it was their homeland no matter what refugee status/group they belong to. They deserve passports, free movement, full working rights and not to have to rely on Israel for basic necessities and blockages.