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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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sabababa · 07/10/2025 16:08

Applecrumble0110 · 07/10/2025 15:57

Ive not yet met one Israeli who likes Muslims? They're all anti Muslim pretty much and have horrific things to say about them.

So, wait, what about the 2 million Muslim israelis. Are you saying that they hate themselves?
Methinks you actually haven't met any israelis and you're making shit up based on what you've seen on tiktok Because the idea that you stroll up to a random Israeli and start asking them what they think of Muslims is simply risible. And if you really have friendships with enough Israelis to make a judgement, then you know that you're talking bullshit.

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 16:09

Do people on here realise that Netanyahu has supported Hamas. You need to look at the history from the Balfour Declaration and what’s been happening since 1948 to even begin to understand this conflict. Look up Naqba.

Applecrumble0110 · 07/10/2025 16:09

BeachLife2 · 07/10/2025 16:02

It’s not an outrage competition

You should be outraged by what this poster said. It's crazy to me people on MUMSNET can read about babies and have any response apart from sadness/sympathy.

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 16:10

Namechang44 · 07/10/2025 10:12

It is disgusting and I do hope you’re just as outraged with the starvation and genocide, ethnic cleaning of tens of thousands of civilians?

Do you mean in Syria? Or Sudan? Maybe you mean Yemen? Not sure what you said has anything to do with a memorial honouring a massacre.

nomas · 07/10/2025 16:11

sabababa · 07/10/2025 16:08

So, wait, what about the 2 million Muslim israelis. Are you saying that they hate themselves?
Methinks you actually haven't met any israelis and you're making shit up based on what you've seen on tiktok Because the idea that you stroll up to a random Israeli and start asking them what they think of Muslims is simply risible. And if you really have friendships with enough Israelis to make a judgement, then you know that you're talking bullshit.

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It's odd that you believe everyone hates Jews but not that Israelis don't hate Arabs.

Surely if you can recognise that not all Israelis hate Arabs then not everyone hates Jews?

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 16:13

wrongthinker · 07/10/2025 14:16

You only have to look at how the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank was only supposed to be temporary under the 1999 agreement, as a stepping stone to an independent state, but the refusal of the Israeli government to end military rule and continue settlement expansion has prevented that from every happening.

I just want to point out that this is not the case. In 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza and handed it over to the Palestinian Authority. A year later, Hamas was elected on their 'Kill all Jews' ticket. Israel continued to supply aid, water, electricity and so on. They didn't even seem to have an Intelligence presence there (which is why they were taken by surprise by the October 7th pogrom) - I listened to an interview with a former head of Mossad who said they had been sleeping on Gaza, really.

I said the West Bank, not Gaza.

2005 was hardly a full withdrawal considering that they continued to control the borders and used blockades to prevent trade and food aid getting in and withheld tax that had been collected and was supposed to be handed over to the Palestinian Authority. The blockades caused massive unemployment as well as malnutrition among children, destroyed any chance of Palestinians developing trade.

Hamas weren't elected until 25th January 2006, but the Karni crossing was closed weeks earlier which killed off the textile and furniture exports and prevented most of the produce from the Greenhouse project being exported.

Hamas were elected because many Palestinians did not trust the PLO, they also provided services to people who were increasingly desperate.

We can sit back and say that the were wrong to elect Hamas from the distance of a safe country where we have freedom and wealth, but as soon as you consider the conditions the Gaza Palestinians had been living in for years, you can see why Hamas may have appeared to offer what seemed like a solution.

A big thing was made of the Israeli settlers that were forcibly removed from Gaza as part of that 2005 agreement - I think it was about 8,000 - but the fact that 15,000 settled in the West Bank after that is conveniently glossed over.

Applecrumble0110 · 07/10/2025 16:15

nomas · 07/10/2025 16:11

It's odd that you believe everyone hates Jews but not that Israelis don't hate Arabs.

Surely if you can recognise that not all Israelis hate Arabs then not everyone hates Jews?

This exactly. Muslims are all anti semitic but Israelis love them. Great logic

Agrumpyknitter · 07/10/2025 16:19

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:47

I live in an area with a huge number of yellow ribbons and posters commemorating the victims and to be honest, it's uncomfortable. It's become more than a memorial, it's now a pro-Israel political statement. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

I do have some sympathy for Israel's position - more than the general public, probably - but I certainly don't support the current decimation of Palestine and I don't like the way the whole locality now seems to have been branded pro-Israeli, it doesn't represent me for sure.

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I agree.

I believe the attacks on 7th Oct were deplorable and Israel had the right to take action against Hamas but it’s gone too far the other way.

Over 20’000 Palestinian children have been killed by Israel that is not proportionate action or retaliation. The world turns a blind eye to their deaths especially in the West. If they had been white babies killed, god imagine the uproar. You can’t justify those numbers when it comes to that amount of children being killed.

And then you have Tommy Robinson being welcomed in Israel and wonder if they have lost the plot.

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 16:27

I'm completely against the Israeli government and 100% pro Palestinian but I don't think it's right for someone to deface a memorial regardless of their opinions so I think YANBU.

kirinm · 07/10/2025 16:28

Apparently the woman is Jewish. Is it still anti semetic?

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:32

Survivingnotthriving24 · 07/10/2025 15:44

Firstly, I agree a memorial shouldn't be defaced.

Can you read this back though and see that you're generalising the Palestinian people in the same manner you're complaining the Jewish people are being generalised?

If you feared for your life living in a dictatorship ran by a terrorist organisation, would you be protesting the 07/10 attacks in the street or would you play by the rules to ensure the safety of you and your children?

Don't kid yourself that morals are what's keeping Israel wiping Palestine off the map in one swoop, the threat of being punished by other more powerful countries is the only thing preventing that from happening.

If you feared for your life living in a dictatorship ran by a terrorist organisation, would you be protesting the 07/10 attacks in the street or would you play by the rules to ensure the safety of you and your children?

There's no doubt that would be a terrible situation. But if I was a Gazan who was old enough to vote in 2006, I would not have voted into power a party which included in its founding Charter the wish to kill all Jews. If I had, I would only have myself to blame if their success in winning power brought disaster on my country and family.

(And before you ask, I have similar thoughts about the extreme right-wingers in Israel.)

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 16:33

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 16:09

Do people on here realise that Netanyahu has supported Hamas. You need to look at the history from the Balfour Declaration and what’s been happening since 1948 to even begin to understand this conflict. Look up Naqba.

Back then I imagine he hoped they could work together and keep the peace.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 16:34

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:32

If you feared for your life living in a dictatorship ran by a terrorist organisation, would you be protesting the 07/10 attacks in the street or would you play by the rules to ensure the safety of you and your children?

There's no doubt that would be a terrible situation. But if I was a Gazan who was old enough to vote in 2006, I would not have voted into power a party which included in its founding Charter the wish to kill all Jews. If I had, I would only have myself to blame if their success in winning power brought disaster on my country and family.

(And before you ask, I have similar thoughts about the extreme right-wingers in Israel.)

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Quite. Hamas have been very public about the eradication of Israel. They knew then this would mean international condemnation.

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 16:36

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:32

If you feared for your life living in a dictatorship ran by a terrorist organisation, would you be protesting the 07/10 attacks in the street or would you play by the rules to ensure the safety of you and your children?

There's no doubt that would be a terrible situation. But if I was a Gazan who was old enough to vote in 2006, I would not have voted into power a party which included in its founding Charter the wish to kill all Jews. If I had, I would only have myself to blame if their success in winning power brought disaster on my country and family.

(And before you ask, I have similar thoughts about the extreme right-wingers in Israel.)

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But what about the massacre and genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government before Hamas were elected into power? The war started well before Hamas and Oct 7.

kirinm · 07/10/2025 16:36

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:32

If you feared for your life living in a dictatorship ran by a terrorist organisation, would you be protesting the 07/10 attacks in the street or would you play by the rules to ensure the safety of you and your children?

There's no doubt that would be a terrible situation. But if I was a Gazan who was old enough to vote in 2006, I would not have voted into power a party which included in its founding Charter the wish to kill all Jews. If I had, I would only have myself to blame if their success in winning power brought disaster on my country and family.

(And before you ask, I have similar thoughts about the extreme right-wingers in Israel.)

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Hamas received something like 40% of the votes in 2006 and there’s been no election since. Half the population of Gaza weren’t even alive in 2006 and more than half of those who were didn’t vote for Hamas.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 16:38

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 16:36

But what about the massacre and genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government before Hamas were elected into power? The war started well before Hamas and Oct 7.

There has been some issues on both sides but nothing like this.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 16:39

Does that mean I think the lives lost were in any way more important and precious than the 50 000+ Palestinian lives lost since? No

The fact is that all the lives lost - Israeli and Gazan - can be blamed on what Hamas did two years ago.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:39

ForeverPombear · 07/10/2025 13:25

Because the person who she quoted said 'They aren’t separate that’s why.' when talking about Hamas and the Palestinian. It wasn't a mind-reading ability it's what the poster had previously said.

Saying "Hamas and the Palestinians aren't separate" is not the same as "thinking the genocide is justified".

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:41

kirinm · 07/10/2025 16:36

Hamas received something like 40% of the votes in 2006 and there’s been no election since. Half the population of Gaza weren’t even alive in 2006 and more than half of those who were didn’t vote for Hamas.

I know all the things you’ve said, and none of them answers or contradicts what I said.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 16:41

The deliberate avoidance of accepting that Hamas also committed genocide is startling - mass murder seemingly ignored….

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 16:42

Apparently the woman is Jewish. Is it still anti semetic?

Yes - see Rivkah Brown.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:43

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 16:36

But what about the massacre and genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government before Hamas were elected into power? The war started well before Hamas and Oct 7.

You use the words "massacre" and "genocide" very freely. They should be reserved for their true meaning or they become meaningless.

ThatLadyLady · 07/10/2025 16:45

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:43

You use the words "massacre" and "genocide" very freely. They should be reserved for their true meaning or they become meaningless.

Every reliable source has concluded this is a genocide.

Swiftie26 · 07/10/2025 16:46

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:12

But surely there is a distinction between “Pro-Israeli” - which is to say, in support of Israel’s actions post- 10/23 - and memorialising the victims of the attack? Everyone was shocked and disgusted by the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks but still did not support the following invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and there is no suggestion that the memorials for those attacks mean anything else other than what they are- a tribute to the victims.

I think it is interesting you only refer to Israel’s actions “post 23/10” when Israel has been systemically oppressing Palestinians for decades (see: Israeli settlers being state sanctioned to break international law by taking over Palestinian land)

Applecrumble0110 · 07/10/2025 16:47

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:43

You use the words "massacre" and "genocide" very freely. They should be reserved for their true meaning or they become meaningless.

I have seen multiple videos of members of the Israeli government and army say things like they can't wait to destroy all of gaza and all Palestinians so they can build theme parks and shopping centres on the land. Im actually baffled that people like yourself can say such things without actually looking at the facts

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