To finally agree with a junior doctors strike

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Junior doctors have decided to strike as they are being overlooked for jobs / training posts which are instead given to international applicants. I’ve always abhorred their money grabbing strikes in the past, but support this one 100%. UK doctors should be recruited where possible, and international graduates only turned to where we cannot find a suitable recruit in the UK.

At this point I don't automatically call you a liar (even though you do to me 🤷‍♀️). But it's v good to know you like Sheffield and UEA. He's a v nice man.

And just because you disagree doesn't make you right.

I love the last line of your post though.

I can’t see anything that means these insults are valid anyway.

If there’s a compelling argument they wouldn’t be needed.

I never said it did. Everyone entitled to an opinion. Without abuse or rudeness.

The December comment was not an ultimatum as you know. It was a statement of fact. Oriel opens on December.

The comments are bringing the profession into disrepute. I doubt many people will find comments directed at @mumsneedwine a female, chemistry teacher such as teaching calculus to a fish or reading age of a 9 year old appropriate.

@PurpleFairyLights I think it says more about them than me 😁. To be fair, teaching calculus to a fish might be easier than teaching it to year 11 last thing on a Friday before half term.

Actually no one said she has a reading age of 9. I don't know her so couldn't possibly comment. I said that the average British adult has a reading age of between 9 and 11. Mumsneedwine has chosen to believe it was about her and take offence.

Unfortunately these unpleasant comments often divert the threat away from UKMGs being given priority for specialty training.

How insulting to the British public.

I have wrongly accused you of precisely nothing mumsneedwine.

I have also not been 'very rude'.

If I have done that even once, or been very rude even once, you need to evidence it before you say it or you definitely risk someone reporting you (again).

However, I'll accept patronising :)

I'm afraid I don't see how something true can be insulting.

You referenced people being angry with any restrictions for IMGs because it would affect their commercial interests. The heavy hints through all these threads that some posters have something to gain, presumably financially, was something I was refuting (as far as I can, given that I can only properly know about myself).

Yes and that's exactly right. That's the basis of the law of defamation.

As for the changes to speciality training, not sure if they go far enough with regards to UKMG prioritisation. It's difficult to balance the interests of UKMGs and IMGs so I am guessing Wes Streeting is perhaps hoping he is perceived as having tried to prioritise UKMG interests.

Whether or not prioritisation happens depends on so many other factors like pressure from lobby groups, other parties' positions on the issues, etc. What would be more helpful is if Wes Streeting (rather than writing letters) outlines how exactly prioritisation is going to be implemented so that resident doctors have some clarity instead of having to wait for the 10 Year Plan, etc to work out where they stand.

Right now it all looks like performative politics!

To avoid the risk of the government losing more support, I hope Wes Streeting outlines exactly what he is doing to prioritise UKMGs while protecting the interests of doctors already working in the NHS.

The thread is discussing whether on not that's appropriate and a legitimate reason to strike. Therefore counter arguments can't be a diversion or a derail.

Totally agree about IMG CREST forms being open to fraud and how unfair that is to UKMGs and IMGs already working in the NHS. This could be very dangerous just like lack of DBS standard of vetting as seen by GMC not doing checks properly.

Regarding PLAB unbelievable that UK graduates are seen as deficient but PLAB not mentioned.

So stick to the facts. Because she you agree with people claiming we want the NHS 'cleared out' you are not right. I have been called many things by you and others, your memory is rather short. But others can also read, better than most 9 year olds. Oh and I'm not defended. Being dyslexic I know my exact reading age 😂

Mumsneedwine please stop attacking Sevillian when you're cross with me. People might think you aren't reading the name the top of the post.

Luckily the Phase 1 training review recognises that changes in the past have been good for some areas and detrimental to others - MMC, MTAS, run through training.
One size does not fit all, having one portal for entry and not accepting that different specialities need different attributes and therefore nuance matters.

Mums and Purple you advocate for a system that has been tried and found to be faulty in areas and good in others. You blame failure to progress on IMGs not recognising that not getting what you want first time may be multifactorial not just because of PAs and IMGs.

I am not pro IMG or anti UKMG but I am anti guaranteed training and a job from the age of 17 and it is not the fault of those young people who want to be doctors from where ever they come from in the world. that more medical schools means more competition. I am not disgusted by people who come here and train and go back home, or UKMGS who train here at tax payers expense and then leave for Australia, NZ because they want to.

One size does not fit all so please stop playing allegedly uncaring consultants, IMGs, PAs and anyone else who comes in your cross hairs.

Recognise peoples lived experience may have as much value as your own and try not to insult anyone you do not agree with - and yes you have insulted me over all of these threads on numerous occasions.

mumsneedwine I don't boast about many things but I have a superlative memory and always have done, for as long as my parents and those around me can remember. It's so good it frequently startles people, even in my advancing years. So there. Thus I need evidence of the things you're spitting out - either that or recognise that you'll be reported. I have not wrongly accused you of a single thing, anywhere.

Similarly I have on not one single occasion referred to you wanting to clear out the NHS nor agreed with that comment.

Your post is not coherent. In a literal sense. You might want to edit or delete.

Thank you Scotiasdarling. mumsneedwine is indeed trigger happy and she definitely seems to bear a strong personal grudge, based on many, many abusive posts (and photos).

mumsneedwine, rein it in please - lots of people have asked you to do this now.

Irony is always lost on you, I forgot.

Please post where I have been rude to you. I'll wait.

Photos ? Abusive photos now. It's beyond parody 😂