To finally agree with a junior doctors strike

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Junior doctors have decided to strike as they are being overlooked for jobs / training posts which are instead given to international applicants. I’ve always abhorred their money grabbing strikes in the past, but support this one 100%. UK doctors should be recruited where possible, and international graduates only turned to where we cannot find a suitable recruit in the UK.

People are not against sorting out he job situation - 25% of FY2s did not bother to apply for further training - you do have to be in it to win it - which is different to saying an IMG stole my job because they applied and i did not.

There is also a belief that if not a "training" job guaranteeing you employment for x years, then this is not good enough and should not have to happen to UKMGs. Something that most doctors have done for the past 30 yrs!

Sadly Purple you and your compadre have said :

You need more doctors to train more doctors. And they need guaranteed jobs when go to ST level

If UK graduates were prioritised they’d all get training

it would be such a simple fix. Run through training at one trust for every speciality, no need to change

The breadth of ignorance on those three comments shows that one size does not fit all. If you do not apply for higher training straight after FY2 and decide to do research, go to OZ, try a different speciality, go travelling - where do you sit for the year you will apply - behind those who are straight out.

WE ahd run through training in the 00s and it got nuanced for a reason.

Wes Streeting is just a series of soundbites in human form with very limited understanding. Lying to doctors is such a stupid thing to do.

Wes Streeting hasn't lied. He's listened and is probably still listening. Just not especially hard to the middle class mothers on MN who express themselves as they do.

It’s poor. What a waste of tax payers money as well on uk training and no doubt the benefits they’ll go on to claiming if they are out of work

Are you ok?

What was the threat? I explained what I meant with "he has until December " it was a reference to Oriel opening for specialty training applications in December. So he has until December to put in UKMG prioritisation.

Are you really seriously trying to say that it was a threat? A sentence that is a statement of fact that December is the deadline as that is when Oriel applications open. Wes Streeting has until December otherwise the UKMG unemployment will get even worse and the doctors will be more angry.

Good idea for you to step away for a while. Your post is either another attempt to discredit us or you are seeing things that are not there.

Also IMGs may decide they want to move back to their home country or elsewhere. That would mean GPs and consultants trained via UK specialty training taking their expertise elsewhere.

UK cannot continue to be a training academy worldwide. There is not enough jobs for UK trained doctors.

How does having a child that is a doctor make you middle class?

Omg that was a quote, written by scotiasdarling. I'll repost it below.

You do need to be a bit more careful before you bang out posts in rage Purple, since you genuinely seem to be losing control, judging by your language.

Here is the post.

The other one took the December sentence as a threat. No idea why. I note they have not replied but you are replying on their behalf.

I wouldn't dream of replying on anyone's behalf. scotiasdarling seems much more than capable of speaking for him/ herself. I'm making no comment about threat/ lack of threat. I'm merely saying read the posts properly before raging in an incontinent and inaccurate manner.

100%. My next door neighbours have admitted theyre using our country for training and then leaving to go back and live in Singapore. I felt disgusted and aghast when they told me. How entitled.

@Sevillian Please explain @scotiasdarling post?

Especially the sentence "threatening now as well as rude"

I don’t think that’s threatening….

sorry to chime in!

It’s disgusting that we are not looking after our own graduates first. The nhs should only be allowed to employ UK graduates into entry level positions. If there are spaces left after that then from abroad.

It's not my business to explain scotiadarling's post

I really don't understand that a sentence about having until December can be seen as a threat.

However these sorts of accusations have been used many times by the 5-6 pro-IMG posters to detract from the subject which derails the thread unfortunately.

Facts are facts.

However these sorts of accusations have been used many times by the 5-6 pro-IMG posters to detract from the subject which derails the thread unfortunately.

Incorrect. The posts are bang on the subject title of this thread, it's just that you don't like their content.

Well you were doing that earlier which was unusual.

35% of doctors in the NHS are foreign nationals. This blocks up the whole system for UK doctors
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7783/CBP-7783.pdf

@Sevillian I don’t think @PurpleFairyLights is threatening - I think you’re stoking a fire, or misinterpreting what they’re saying. They did just state a fact there.

Again, incorrect. I copied the post to show mumsneedwine who it was who had referred to her as the old one. A citation is not an explanation.

I really respect non-UK health professionals, but we do ought to prioritise UK nationals that were trained here - otherwise it’s money down the drain. Not to mention absolutely disheartening for those who have put their hearts and souls into the training here!

Jesus. I have not said a dicky bird about threat/ no threat PeonyPatch.

@Sevillian why are you saying Wes Streeting has not lied?

He promised UKMG prioritisation and did not implement it.

https://www.doctors.net.uk/news/uk-medical-graduates-will-be-given-priority-for-nhs-jobs-streeting-says

What is a better figure? If U.K. drs want the jobs then should we just sort that out first, then fill the gaps?