Jews leaving the UK

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I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

What is zionism?

Absolute rubbish. I’m part of the Yemenite community and you’re repeating lies to further your Jew hatred. Are you ok with there being zero Jews in Palestine? Are you ok with what Syrians have done to the Druze? You’re using age old libels to demonise a place you obviously know nothing about.

The attack in Manchester was linked to Hamas.

It's not that at all, I grew up an Irish Catholic and married a Scottish protestant, I've known terror attacks literally in my own home, there's no part of my family not touched by the 'troubles' in the 1979s and 80s. I understand bigotry exists.

I'm asking how Israel can both be so safe you'd rather be there than UK and so massively live under the threat of terror from Gaza that the entire area needs to be depopulated?

otoh, it would be considered a necessity/ honour to stand up and fight for the protection of the Jewish state. Jews who had no way of fighting back against the nazis can now make sure it never happens again by being trained themselves to defend their people with the most advanced weaponry and training there is.

I wouldn’t fancy my children being conscripted, but protection of my people doesn’t feature in my life.

Then should we worry Israel will bomb Manchester? Worth the collateral losses to get the terrorists right? Just like in Gaza?

Your username is calling for the genocide of Jews. But you know that, right?

And should it be?
Would it be acceptable to say if consider it an honor to have my children join the ira to get back the last 6 counties of the island of Ireland?

At least they have somewhere to go.

So how do we criticise/protest the actions of the Israeli government without having accusations of antisemitism thrown at us? It doesn’t seem possible at the moment.

Genuine question- do people just sort of ignore the holocaust, or do you believe other international events are comparable?

the Jews have been exiled from every land they’ve settled in. For thousands of years. Isreal was supposed to end that and provide safety forever. That’s why even young children might be passionate about preparing to defend that. And that’s no particular comment on Gaza- this was the same sentiment 10,20,30 years ago. Defend the homeland never again. It is, in European history at least, pretty unique I’d say.

As someone with a Jewish parent who is not Jewish but knows and is related to a lot of Jewish people I think personal response to the Palestine marches is a bit of an echo-chamber issue. If you're convinced they're a thinly-veiled pretext for anti-Semitism then they will feel very threatening and you will want to leave the UK whereas if you think they're peopled by those with a narrow focus on preventing famine in Gaza then you probably won't. And if you're surrounded by people who believe the former it's quite hard to believe the latter. And of course the truth is most likely somewhere in between.

(Side note: I read the Matthew Syed piece and found it very strange, he gave maybe one actual example of anti-Semitism and the rest was just examples of people being personally offensive to him. While that is terrible, I didn't think it was front page news).

I compare it to the St George's crosses and related marches. For some people they're painted by racists, for some they're painted by people who are reasonsbly a bit fed up with immigration and the truth is probably in between. Depending on who you talk to you could get very worried as an immigrant in the UK or you could feel relatively comfortable that people are generally decent, etc.

Jews living in Israel know Hamas are a terrorist group living near by and the Israeli people are always in fear of being the victim of a terrorist attack. Everyone in Israel appreciates the threat against them.

A Jew living in Britain doesn’t know what to think or who to trust. That neighbour next door who seems to be nice if a little ignorant yet slaps of a Keffiya and heads to a march at the weekend shouting about ‘from the river to the sea’, is it safe to go to a synagogue, etc. and work colleagues, neighbours etc have no idea how under threat their mindlessly uttered views makes a Jew living in Britain feel.

I can understand wanting to move to Israel where everyone is in it together.

Why do you feel the need to do so? Do you protest against any other oppressive regimes? Are you out protesting about the Afghan government anytime soon? No, thought not.

I don't understand why people can't just look things up before they post such ignorant waffle. It's really not hard.

Aside from countries with religious majorities or countries where certain religions hold special status, of which there are many;
Christianity is the state religion in 13 countries.
Islam is the state religion in 25 countries.
Buddhism is the state religion in 4 countries.

The Maldives' immigration policy even states all applicants must be Muslim.

Wonder why you've singled out Israel (the sole country in one faith category) in this case if countries having strong ties to a single faith bother you so much?

Do people just ignore the famine and displacement of the Irish people? Or believe other international events are comparable?

My question is simply whether that displacement and persecution should be used as justification to carry out the level of devastation being seen in Gaza?

Noone here is suggesting Jewish people be taken from Israel are they? I know I'm personally questioning both the way the situation in Gaza is being handled and genuine thought behind suggesting Israel is so under threat yet also so much safer than London.

Also those saying at least Israel protects its citizens? But does it? It's the level of apartment self defence to the point of it being an offensive rather than defensive action at this point I'm questioning.

Why don't gazans have a right to safety in their homes? Why do their children not deserve the same safety as my children?

Thats how things work for Anti-semites.

Italy has strong ties to Roman Catholicism. We didn't imprison all Catholics during WW2. You would have to go back to the 1600's or something for that kind of thinking.

How many people killed this month by the Afghan regime? How many by Israel? How many children murdered in each area awaiting aid? How much international aid blocked in each region?

She's right. It's incredibly poor taste. But at least it identifies you as a racist so people know to ignore your comments. Unless, of course they like racists. Useful marker either way.

I feel the same. Replies like “what more do you want?”, going on about “Zionists” as if they were fair game, even going as far as likening moving to Israel with joining ISIS…