Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

[UrticaDioca]

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

And my point from the outset has been assuming hundreds of thousands of people are either racist or stupid is a lazy and ignorant stance, for reasons we've discussed.

My neighbour flies two huge Palestine flags both behind and outside of their window. My DCs also walk past Fuck Israel graffiti daily on the way to school. I wish people would not wish to spread intimidation and hate but they unfortunately do.

I haven't suggested he was the first to expose it. I don't think anyone can actually claim this as there have been hundreds of people going back 20 years (including victims,) who reported these crimes to the authorities. We now know this fell on deaf ears and was actively covered up so as not to stir up 'racial tensions.'

Councillors, police, MPs and the media all had knowledge of this. I'd also point out having the power to expose something, because your voice counts, doesn't mean you were the first person talking about it!

'The grooming gangs were first exposed by Ann Cryer MP in 2002.' Odd that considering the despicable BBC was reporting on it in 2001! Except it was coming from a victim blaming angle. Of course they have since changed their tune and stopped calling these victims 'prostitutes.'
BBC News | UK | Child prostitution crisis

What a difference a decade or two makes.... and public opinion.
Child sexual exploitation: How the system failed - BBC News

From reading your comment I can see you've never bothered to watch any of the old or new TR interviews, which I always find strange for people who think they know so much about him, or causally write him off as nothing but a racist.

Whatever he is or isn't it doesn't change the fact he grew up seeing the grooming (his cousin was raped at 13) and has been speaking about it ever since. I go back to the point regarding having a voice that doesn't matter.

Only when the voices could not be ignored because he had joined a racist party that was making a lot of noise (BNP) they were given any type of media attention, the purpose of which was to highlight the racism within the party, but accidently touched on grooming gangs too. TR has openly admitted about his regret being in the BNP as an impressionable young man, he has said Nick Griffin is a 'racist wrong un' and realised his views didn't align. Strange bedfellows and all that.

Just have a look at the gaslighting and condescension in the Paxman interview in 2011 when he was finally given a platform.

Doesn't that just about sum up the BBC? A brief article on this very topic in 2001.
10 years later inviting TR on to speak, knowing he isn't eloquent and had undesirable history so they could easily ridicule him and present him as a liar.
Except he wasn't wrong was he!

She knew. A good old strawman is a great way to deflect.

No, the point is was making is that Tommy Robinson did nothing about grooming gangs other than exploit the victims for content and pretend he was a hero in their story.

Amazing that you know so much about TR, yet don't know hes a racist.🤔 But then he and his friends dont bring that up in the hagiographies and sycophantic interviews he does on the internet.

You said he was exposing the grooming gangs a decade before the contempt of court case. Who was he exposing them to, other than BNP members in a private meeting?

Tell me you didn't read my comment in full or watch the links without telling me.

'No, the point is was making is that Tommy Robinson did nothing about grooming gangs.' That is simply not true.

Scary to think of you spouting your views to them I suppose

Yes I did say that. The contempt of court I believe you were talking about is the 2018 case, where he filmed the accused entering Crown Court.

As is evidenced, he was speaking of these issues 7 years prior on Newsnight in 2011 after finally being given a platform. We have already discussed that he was talking about this issue in 2004 - 14 years prior to the contempt of court case.

To say he exploits victims is pretty shameful considering his cousin was a victim at 13.

Now, ask yourself this, why did the BBC or any mainstream media for that matter, take an entire 7 years to interview him after the 2004 allegations? And why was he shut down and dismissed in 2011 even though the BBC knew this was going on in 2001?

So you ask, 'who was he exposing them to?' Allegedly to authorities way back when. But I guess we will never know, as has been demonstrated, he has been ignored time and again, despite being right all along.

Please do take the time. I find listening to what people have to say whether I like them or not (especially if I don't) is often eye opening.

Why would they interview him? He wasn't a politician. He wasn't a spokesman for the victims. He didn't expose the scandal. He didnt investigate or collect evidence to be handed into the police.

What exactly do you think Tommy Robinson did?

Much more complicated, of course, the current hostilities I think were courted by Hamas, though.

'Why would they interview him?' For the same reasons they found the BNP interesting enough to do a documentary on perhaps. A better question is why wouldn't they, considering the information I've put to you. Three guesses as to why.... We have already established this scandal was known about amongst the BBC as far back as 2001. We also know there were mass cover ups going on across the country during this time, so as not to inflame racial tensions. Were the media really going to bring the whole pack of cards tumbling down and face the wrath of complicit politicians? Of course not.

Much easier to ignore the whistle blowers then discredit them when you can't ignore them any longer!

'He wasn't a politician.' Indeed. I love how you have undermined your own argument there regarding him not exposing it, and supported my point regarding the fact it is near impossible to 'expose' anything if nobody is listening or you are deemed unimportant or a liar, regardless of whether you are telling the truth.

'What exactly do you think Tommy Robinson did?' If you had actually read any of my comments or links you wouldn't need to ask me this. I'm finding it tedious trying to have a conversation with someone who refuses to analyse the information put before them. I've answered this already, multiple times.

I really don’t understand how you can be this naive. The flag itself isn’t a problem, it’s who is waving it and what the intentions are . The far right have used the flag to be racist and have taken it as a symbol . The OP is concerned her neighbours are racist because of the rhetoric and connotations.

They're not naive, they're just disingenuous.

Who made the BBC scandal aware of the grooming gangs scandal back in 2001?

We know massive cover ups were happening but as the investigations show, it wasn't because of police fears of being labelled racist. The police are implicated in corruption and collusion with the rape gangs. Others were more concerned about cost and hassle. The children were dismissed at best, blamed at worst and handed over to their abusers many times. Even when families, HCPs and individual police officers were yelling about this and trying to protect them. The police didn't give a shit about being called racist.

And they didn't give a shit about working class white girls, especially those in care.

There were no mass cover ups going on so as not to inflame racial tensions. The media use of Ahmed Choudry, the extremist with a hook for a hand(?) was given way more air time than he deserved. Despite being an anathema to the vast majority of Muslims in Britain and beyond. Inflaming racial tension was what the media were doing. Smart phones were young and that shit got them clicks.

See also the BBC interview you posted with Tommy Robinson. Who by then had left the BNP to set up the EDL due to ego clash. Tommy Robinson is a racist.

I will not click links that monetise Tommy Robinson inserting himself into the fight against VAWG or lying about being racist.

But you've watched them so I'm asking you:
What exactly do you think Tommy Robinson did?

What scary views do you think I have expressed here, other than that I like to listen to what people have to say and form my own opinions?

Which he is entitled to do on his own property. There are no flags in my road but I would put one up if I was not a woman living on her own. My concerns are around the illegal immigrants flooding the country. We have no control on who they are, if they have criminal records etc. And before you pull the racist card, I work for and with Muslims and I have 2 mixed race grandchildren.

Why do you think posting a union flag defaced by a slogan will have any impact on the situation?

Are they even flooding the country. They are a tiny proportion of immigration and an even smaller proportion of the population as a whole. And lots of them will get deported anyway now that Labour have ungunmed the home office and started deporting failed claimants.

Did you keep a straight facing while posting that ?

one in, one out is not "ungumming the home office"

On YouTube there is a video from 2015

"Tommy Robinson Full Address Oxford Union"

where he explains how/ where he started

Yes you are being unreasonable. It’s their house and it’s a flag of the country they live in. Nothing to do with you. Deal with it. Many of us are sick of pandering to the forever offended

You are obviously anti white and anti British. If this is your view of this country's flag then you do not deserve to live and walk on it's soil.

Anyone supporting the whole Tommy Robinson flag bollocks is a racist whether they care to admit it or not, it doesn’t change the fact that they are. I feel sorry for all those who proudly had a flag up a flag pole before old TR of Irish immigrant descent made all his racist supporters hide behind a slogan of fake patriotism who are now getting tarred with the same brush. I know people around here who have removed their flags because of it. As someone who’s had their DNA tested and is 97% British descent I cannot think of anything less British or patriot than sticking a £1 Poundland flag halfway up a lamp post in an attempt to intimidate people who they deem not British enough.

I love seeing all of the British and English flags!