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Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

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UrticaDioca · 05/10/2025 15:05

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

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HeadDeskHeadDesk · 05/10/2025 19:27

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 05/10/2025 19:22

It is not racist to think that immigration should be controlled, but it would be extremely strange for someone who doesn't have racist sympathies to go on a march organised by a well known racist.

I know people who went on it and I don't think they are racist. I've known racists, I know even more people who are borderline racist and struggle to not lapse into lazy racist tropes when trying to verbalise how they feel about certain things, even though I know they are good people at heart. And I know some extremely intelligent people, more than capable of critical thinking, who are not racist but still support the basic principle behind the marches and the burgeoning movement we are seeing sweep the country.

OwlBeThere · 05/10/2025 19:28

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/10/2025 17:34

The house next door but one where I used to live was an HMO. As was the one opposite. The hotel at the end housed asylum seekers.

The area is rough as fuck but the HMOs and asylum seekers have never really been the issue.

I’m not Labour and as working class as they come. I’m the only person in my family to go to university, full stop. I also used to live in Birmingham. I currently live on a street with a few HMOs.

I still think Tommy Robinson is a racist, I think people are very racist/bigoted about Muslims in particular and this idea that our country is over run with immigrants is just total bollocks.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/10/2025 19:30

ItWasnaMeGuv · 05/10/2025 19:16

Flying your country's flag is racist now, @TooBigForMyBoots ?Hmm Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud Grin.

I know when it is being used to intimidate and divide. I object to it being used like dog piss marking territory on lampposts.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 05/10/2025 19:30

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 05/10/2025 19:27

I'm in my fifties.

Things were getting progressively better for many years, but they have been gradually getting worse again imo in the last ten years. People feel emboldened to say stuff now that they wouldn't have dreamt of saying 10 years ago.

I would say it's kind of the opposite. Think of the comedy shows from the 1980s/90s that have been given trigger warnings. I think people have got much more sensitive within the last 30 years and a great many things just aren't allowed to be said anymore. That doesn't sound like progress to me.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 05/10/2025 19:31

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 05/10/2025 19:27

I know people who went on it and I don't think they are racist. I've known racists, I know even more people who are borderline racist and struggle to not lapse into lazy racist tropes when trying to verbalise how they feel about certain things, even though I know they are good people at heart. And I know some extremely intelligent people, more than capable of critical thinking, who are not racist but still support the basic principle behind the marches and the burgeoning movement we are seeing sweep the country.

Look, I cannot analyse the beliefs and motivations of every single person who went on that march, but I can say with confidence that anyone who genuinely cares about opposing racism would not go on a march organised by one of Britain's most famous racists. They just wouldn't.

JaneEyre40 · 05/10/2025 19:31

MidnightPatrol · 05/10/2025 15:13

What’s the offence with ‘unite the kingdom’ written on a Union Jack?

Oh come on.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 05/10/2025 19:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/10/2025 19:30

I know when it is being used to intimidate and divide. I object to it being used like dog piss marking territory on lampposts.

This is why I wear pin badges and a wristband. People can get wound up at the sight of badges all they like (if rainbow lanyards are anything to go by), but lay a hand on me and that's just plain assault.

BurntBroccoli · 05/10/2025 19:33

noblegiraffe · 05/10/2025 15:19

No, it's Tommy Robinson's campaign.

Oh look, a number 88 bus just happened to be driving past!

AnnaFrith · 05/10/2025 19:34

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/10/2025 17:40

The problem isn’t going away even if reform get in. We have an aging population and short of encouraging everyone to have 3+ children the only solution is increased immigration.

This will just create a sort of immigration Ponzi scheme - who looks after the immigrants when they get older? Or are you thinking they will all be having loads of children? In which case it's not surprising people are worried about becoming a minority group in their own country.
Instead of trying to find short term fixes, we need to take a long term view and manage the reduction of our population to a more sustainable level.
We need to find ways to increase productivity, reduce the numbers of younger people who are economically inactive, make it easier for women to have more children if they want them, and if necessary allow short term working visas for young people.

sussexman · 05/10/2025 19:35

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 05/10/2025 19:16

But you don't know the people flying flags are racist. Stop twisting people's words.

If people are flying a Union Flag with the famous racist Tommy Robinson's slogan down the middle, then they are either racist or deluded.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 05/10/2025 19:36

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 05/10/2025 19:30

I would say it's kind of the opposite. Think of the comedy shows from the 1980s/90s that have been given trigger warnings. I think people have got much more sensitive within the last 30 years and a great many things just aren't allowed to be said anymore. That doesn't sound like progress to me.

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I'm not talking about the behaviour of public broadcasters or things that would be acceptable in a professional environment. I'm talking about experiences of the people that I care about, and the racism that they encounter on a daily basis. And it has been getting worse.

Petitchat · 05/10/2025 19:36

34ransum · 05/10/2025 16:54

Immigrant here.

There are hundreds of flags on my high street and commute.

It makes me feel incredibly sad, angry, frustrated, unwelcome, othered...

I also feel sad for my children, neither of whom are white, both who were born here and have only English passports

Your children are English and you should be teaching then to be proud of their English and British flags.

JaneEyre40 · 05/10/2025 19:38

Amandasummers · 05/10/2025 15:16

Is it just me or does “now I have to see this fucking flag” some sort of insinuation that you find the flag insulting? You literally live here? Why the offence?

Seriously?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 05/10/2025 19:38

Petitchat · 05/10/2025 19:36

Your children are English and you should be teaching then to be proud of their English and British flags.

Who are you to tell others what they should be teaching their children.

I'm British, and I have taught my dc to be ashamed of those who appropriate our national flag for racist purposes that are at odds with traditional British values.

noblegiraffe · 05/10/2025 19:40

Hey, let's listen to Tommy Robinson shall we? Or even just take a look at his twitter account?

What a lovely guy he is that I have had to mark his twitter comment as a sensitive image as it is so horrendously offensive.

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sussexman · 05/10/2025 19:40

SpiritAdder · 05/10/2025 15:15

Go and talk to them. I’m American so don’t know specifics, but I read that the union jack 🇬🇧 was being put up by anti-racism activists to counter the Tommy Robinson/Reform racists that have been using the English flag 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 as a message that England is for the English only and anyone not of Anglo ethnicity can fuck off out of the country. They might be an ally. I’d want to know in your shoes.

Unite The Kingdom was Tommy Robinson's slogan for his recent rally. The Union Jack and the Cross of St George are definitely contentious in the UK right now, but there's not much doubt what that flag means.

JaneEyre40 · 05/10/2025 19:40

MidnightPatrol · 05/10/2025 15:31

I’ve never heard of this expression in relation to Tommy Robinson until this thread TBF.

I suggest you watch the news....

Petitchat · 05/10/2025 19:41

sussexman · 05/10/2025 19:35

If people are flying a Union Flag with the famous racist Tommy Robinson's slogan down the middle, then they are either racist or deluded.

Or just have their own sensible opinion.

ToWhitToWhoo · 05/10/2025 19:41

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 05/10/2025 19:16

But you don't know the people flying flags are racist. Stop twisting people's words.

No, flying flags is not racist. But supporting Tommy Robinson is racist.

JaneEyre40 · 05/10/2025 19:42

ToWhitToWhoo · 05/10/2025 19:41

No, flying flags is not racist. But supporting Tommy Robinson is racist.

🙄🙄🙄🙄

JaneEyre40 · 05/10/2025 19:42

Petitchat · 05/10/2025 19:36

Your children are English and you should be teaching then to be proud of their English and British flags.

Oh do shh telling people they should be proud of a flag that is being flown to incite hate at the present moment.

AmyDuPlantier · 05/10/2025 19:42

WalkDontWalk · 05/10/2025 15:43

….ah, the treasured feedback of the stolidly literal.

People post pointless unlikely responses here all the time, that they would never do in real life. It’s just daft and clogs up the thread with various ‘hilarious’ posts 🤷‍♀️

Simplestars · 05/10/2025 19:44

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 05/10/2025 19:27

I know people who went on it and I don't think they are racist. I've known racists, I know even more people who are borderline racist and struggle to not lapse into lazy racist tropes when trying to verbalise how they feel about certain things, even though I know they are good people at heart. And I know some extremely intelligent people, more than capable of critical thinking, who are not racist but still support the basic principle behind the marches and the burgeoning movement we are seeing sweep the country.

Even though people who attend are not racist they know what those Marches represent and are adding weight to it.

So to me you are just as bad but hide behind 'but I'm not a racist'.

ToWhitToWhoo · 05/10/2025 19:44

Petitchat · 05/10/2025 19:41

Or just have their own sensible opinion.

Supporting Tommy Robinson is NEVER sensible! It's at best stupid, and at worst UTTERLY EVIL!!!!

And as a British citizen, I resent having my flag co-opted by those vile creatures,