Nearly 500 arrested for support for Palestinian Action Group a proscribed terrorist organisation

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This is getting ridiculous. The same group, think they can do what they want which includes, using a sledgehammer to attack a person, breaking into a military base and causing millions of pounds worth of damage. Hatred towards Jewish people.

It appears these people feel the law doesn't apply to them. None of the above is peaceful protest. Stronger sentences or fines are needed.

Only one side....are you suggesting that hamas are not violent genocidaires?
Rather a lot of evidence to the contrary.

No. I would have no problem with people chanting 'death to Hamas'.

I disagree with all violence toward civilians.

How do manage to cause the death to a military force without causing death to its soldiers?

If death is intended to have a non-literal meaning, why is that word chosen, when there are many other words in the English language that could convey that non literal meaning without this chilling ambiguity?

This is going to be such a massive problem for Israel.

It's sad that none of you seem to genuinely care about IDF soldiers? Surely you'd want an end to the genocide in Gaza if you did.

Did poetry pass you by at school?

That's quite a swerve, I'm sure they're grateful for your concern.

Following your enthusiastic endorsement I shall work on some catchy anti-hamas chants for the marchers, something rhymy and not too many big words. Careful how you use them though, the anti hamas stuff hasn't gone down well for some reason.

When have anti-Hamas chants not gone down well?

There was no swerve.

I explained the meaning behind the chant from the person who initially orchestrated it.

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Plausible deniability isn’t anywhere near this one. Are you genuinely stupid enough to believe that death to the IDF isn’t a call for death to the IDF?

The explanation, by the way, was that it wasn’t calling for death to Jews, but merely death to IDF soldiers.

Calls for death do not belong on a peace march.

And this snickering ‘oh we think we can get away with this if we pretend they’re misunderstanding what we really mean’ is bullshit too. Oh we think we can get away with an event celebrating the Palestinian ‘resistance’ on October 7th if we pretend it isn’t anything to do with the massacre on that day. No you can’t.

By disbanding it? By carrying out root and branch reforms? By its leaders purposefully changing direction?

Look, you're not convincing anyone.

Could you put this energy toward doing something positive in the world. Maybe you could start speaking up about other genocides in the world?

Exactly.

I read your edit, you didn't AS hard enough....been here over 20 years, how about you?

Why are you so active on anti Muslim threads?

I’m really not, if you knew me at all IRL you would know that I take a pretty nuanced view on a lot of things and I really dislike violence of all kinds. But having been in London during both sets of marches I know that anyone claiming that the vibe is the same and the levels of hatred are the same is just not correct.

Ok, if I'm not convincing you that 'Death to the IDF' means 'I want IDF soldiers to die, here is Bob Vylan himself saying very clearly, right at the start of this video "Death to every single IDF soldier out there"

Do you still think he means it metaphorically?

I notice you still haven't addressed the assaults on police officers or the chants calling for people to die.

Maybe you could you address the dead children in Gaza instead.

You equate terrorism in the name of Islam with all practising muslims? Seems a bit unfair and a bit clueless, but do crack on.

Death threats usually breach English law. It tends ot be better to disagree with arguments not call for deaths of others. The number of marches has now been so many that I do think we can reasonably curb them. E.g. the Jarrow march from NE English where I am from down to London was one march. They didn't have vast numbers of them all the time. you can always go and speak at Speakers' Corner in addition to have a debate with anyone there. I think one anti Israel march a month across the UK would be reasonable as long as no one is supporting a banned organisation like Hamas and otherwise does follow the law . The Crime and Policing Bill 2024-25 will ban face masks at demonstrations by those demonstrating - at present you can cover your face but must remove it at police request.

I have heard talk of some in the UK following suit with Italy and using strike action which would probably more impactful anyway.

They might want to look up the rules around what you're allowed to strike about first.

https://notesfrombelow.org/article/how-could-uk-workers-strike-for-palestine

It's spoken about on here if anyone's interested.

A lot of words to say "basically you can't"