AIBU to tell team members to forfeit their breaks

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Team member 1: came unprepared to meeting and needed to use one of my pens. Unprofessional. She is being groomed for a role in another office where manager would definitely make her forfeit her breaks for that, so it’s important she learns now.

Team member 2: Left annotated document at home which means I have to fit it in tomorrow instead of today. It is only five minutes of work, but again that’s not the point. They should have remembered.

Team member 3: Briefing team and a team member takes his suit jacket off in the middle of it, which meant I had no choice but to disrupt the meeting for everyone in order to apprehend him.

My children come out with stuff like this.

They say things like "homework is unfair why do I have to do it?"

"Why can't I wear jewellery or makeup when the teachers do?"

"Why do I have to study things I hate when I won't need them as an adult?"

"Why can't I sit next to my friends all the time?"

"Why do I have to use this particular door to leave the building and not the one I fancy using?"

Their whole whingy tone is not far off yours OP.

I was thinking wouldn't it be simpler to have a blot picture of a baboons backside to represent the awaking dawn?

Op why cant you say what you want why the need for game playing?

"I don't understand why it's automatically dismissed as somehow stupid, boring or irrelevant to draw attention to two similar or equivalent situations"

Because they are not equivalent. One is dealing with adults who have applied for that role and the other is children most of whom are only there because their parents send them there and given the choice would prefer to stay home.

Some of these children will behave for months or sometimes years in a way that would get them instantly dismissed as a working adult.

There are a great many kids or even a majority of kids who you could allow to use toilet as and when needed with no issue or genuinely lose pens instead of flinging them at someone the other side of the room but there are there are too many who can't and the stricter rules this requires must largely be applied to everyone.

If you could disagree with publicised policies you can always home school.

Some people then say well I have no choice as I need to work, but by the same token will not accept that schools have no choice but to enforce these strict regimes to function.

Tedious. Let's turn it around shall we?

Team member 1 swears loudly at the manager during meetings. Team member 2 hits a colleague.
Team member 3 never does a stroke of work and just gazes out the window.

They'd never last a second in an actual job but hey, they're not in a job, they're kids and at school.

The world of work and the world of education are two different things. There's no point comparing the two much beyond thinking what skills kids need for when these older. Their behavior will be very different to an adults because they're not adults!

‘Peaces’ and ‘distroy’ - I thought a teacher would be able to spell simple words like these - worrying.

I can't work out if OP has a smidgen of being an educator experience, as in studied it, but never practically and went straight into something like school inspection which is where the unrealistic 'well what I'd do is...'
Or is that parent who's educationally inquisitive child (saw that gem on a thread about a rude back chatting angel) is somehow always clashing with mean teachers.

Bullying in any half-decent school is also stamped down on.

And there are many workplaces where bullying is rife and people who are subjected to it are routinely ignored, ridiculed, victim-blamed and told it's all in their heads.

I had a child say he didn’t have a pen so couldn’t do the work. When I said that would have to be noted as an organisation mark he remembered he had a whole pencil case and got it out.

Children aren’t adults, they need different rules. If an adult turned up claiming to be unprepared at a meeting as a ruse to get out of the work it wouldn’t go down well.

There is a philosophy to sweat the small stuff and the bigger incidences reduce accordingly. Along the lines of look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.

I've managed people for a long time. My only bit of advice to is you is pick your battles! Don't waste time and energy on the small stuff.

If you don’t like the way the school is disciplining your children, choose another school

I used to work as an exam invigilator. You wouldn't believe the number of students - 16 year olds! - who turn up to their exams without a pen 🙄

Or get a job as a teacher and see how easy it is, it is amazing the experts that come out of the woodwork of easy other peoples jobs are, and no I am not nor have ever been a teacher

This poster has explained that they are severely dyslexic and also not a teacher.

God these 'clever' posts are getting tedious now.

I think I prefer the AI/ content farming posts

Why are you talking in riddles?

I take it this post is your idea of a joke. What a waste of everyone's time.

I think it's worse I think they think they're being super clever

Yet managed the riddle op?

I’m not sure what you mean.

You'll be the first one to moan when your child isn't getting a good enough education because the class are too wild to listen, contribute and learn respectfully. If you don't like the school policy, move your child. But be warned, if the school aren't on top of behaviour expectations, your child will suffer the consequences of a poorly managed classroom. 🙄

I am a former teacher as of this month. Thank fuck.

You could treat school children like adults in the work place. A lot of them would get sacked though for violent, aggressive or rude behaviour. There would also be a lot of them who were not performing at the required level and have to leave. Those who were persistently late or had unauthorised absences would have to go as well. It might be rather tough on the children.

I'm not into overly strict punishments but schools need rules. Teenagers are not adults. Teens are obliged to go to school, have to be around many other people their age all day long, may lack the motivation for various subjects and activities and don't care too much about other people's points of view. A few can cause considerable trouble for the majority.

A workplace is completely different. The people there have a lot more maturity, are motivated at the very least by the idea of earning money, can be sacked if they behave badly or don't do the job sufficiently well. They also have choices about what kind of job, workplace and even whether they work at all. Generally they understand their actions or lack of affect others.

If children were like adults, they wouldn't need to go to school.

You are clearly not a teacher because all of this is batshit. I can’t even be arsed to explain why.

If my students behaviour is disrupting the learning of other students then yes they will miss some break time so they can spend it with me to discuss their behaviour, its impact and have time to reflect. This opportunity can only be facilitated during break as outside of those times I am teaching and they are being provided with the opportunity to learn, along side all the other students.
if they don’t want to spend their break time with me the obvious answer is don’t disturb others learning - that and no swearing and I don’t appologise for it. Sometimes, the root of the behaviour is something they need support with, they are much more likely to tell me about this in a quiet 1-2-1 chat. I make absolutely no apology for the fact that sometimes my students spend part of their breaks in my company addressing these issues. Funnily enough, when we’ve asked them what they think the consequences for different behaviours should be their ideas were far more draconian!

Indeed, my DS proclaimed the other day he thought corporal punishment should be brought back. They’d been learning about how children’s rights have developed over the years and his teacher spoke about how discipline used to include physical punishment, my DS said he thought being able to hit kids would at least give them something to make them behave. For the record my child has never been hit in his entire life but is fed up with nonsense behaviours from his peers.