Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

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AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

Everyone receives child benefit irrespective of their income so they probably are in receipt of benefits

Nope, you have to have dc for a start and it's means tested

Because some workplaces pay shit wages.

Who is for it? Mn? That’s standard. There’s no limit to how much people want to spend.

No they don’t. You have to tick the box as to whether you want to pay it back through the tax system or not receive it in the first place, once you’re over a certain household income.
It was the same when our kids were kids (both adults now).
So, they do not receive any benefits.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with receiving them.)

Hopefully in the budget she will increase the minimum working time to qualify from 18 hours to 35. That would help get rid of the culture of not increasing hours so it doesn't affect "my money".

I stronglyly resent paying as much tax as I do when public services are so incredibly shit.

They aren't shit because of people having multiple dc on benefits though

What utter nonsense. How on earth does child benefit encourage 'shitty parenting'

I agree with you OP. It's a terrible decision and I am disappointed at this news.

To me, this just seems like a sad attempt to pull support away from Refrom. Reform was going to scrap the two child cap to try to encourage British mothers to have British babies (encouraging more babies is the classic hallmark of rightwing regimes throughout history).

Personally, I take the view that it is not the role of the state to fund people's choices. And it's unfair on me, as a single person with no children, that I'm expected to fund other people's children, when those same people would not care if something bad happened to me, or if I died.

Ah, you’re one of those mugs. I can’t help you I’m afraid. But I know who I’d rather have reproducing for the future good of the nation, and it’s not all the people so incapable of critical thinking that they believe what they read in the rightwing press 😆

Benefit recipients are pro it and they now make up a sizable voting pool.

This sort of thing can only make sense if they’re sure they won’t need to put up taxes. They’re simply toast if they increase spending and increase taxes.

So did we, there’s so much waste.

So have I and it's interesting that you have a different experience. That's life I guess!

Well high earners don't have time to raise several children. Or should 3+ children be reserved to the likes of Angelina Jolie who got nannies to take care of them? I personally don't think anyone should have more than 2 children because financials aside children need time with their parents. All people I know with 3 or more children are struggling to meet their needs.

It was the same when our kids were kids (both adults now).

child benefit wasn't means tested until 2013

How would a trade union tax work? Who are you taxing?

How about taxing the very rich, 1%, the corporations like Amazon. Even if we just stuck to taxing the billionaires that would be a start.

Turns out I was wrong - so duly removing my post!

BINGO!!!! The left wing "critical thinking" shutdown.

All people I know with 3 or more children are struggling to meet their needs.

More insane comments, 3 dc families were incredibly common when I was a dc, needs were met.

Where are your statistics for that?

We need UC top ups because salaries are too low to support people, childcare is too expensive, rent is too much and food and utilities are unaffordable for many people.

You lot need to do your research instead of spouting such utter rubbish.

(cue 16 people coming on and talking about their mothers, next door neighbour's auntie who hasn't worked a day in her life and keeps popping out a child in order to live a life of luxury on benefit)

This is a non-issue. Many women can't be convinced to have one or two children let alone three. There aren't that many women who want three kids and a very small number who want 4+.

The UK birth rate is below replacement rate already (1.6, I believe) so in the interests of long-term economic stability I would have thought it's a good thing if some women have three or more children. They're still going to remain very much the minority, though, because children are going out of fashion and big families especially so and the additional money is unlikely to be sufficient incentive to change this.

Exactly..a couple earning £50k each with household income of £100k get it while a household with a single earner at £60k get nothing. The rationale is to encourage mums to work but in my opinion it's fundamentally unfair.

Each member of the trade union. They are all about the "greater good" so can help dig their political masters out of the hole they have made.

@FoxRedPuppy how do you take global billionaires without global initiatives?

Shit wages used to be enough to live on though. The cost of living now means that people in the very important but low paid jobs get tops ups. Then blamed for their own poor misfortune.