Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

[PuppyKeep]

AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT CHILD BENEFIT

Yes this. I have four and am entitled to child benefit for each of them. I did not have four children because I can claim child benefit for them before you come at me. We both work full time. It’s what was child tax credit that’s capped. I don’t get that.

I think you might be a bit our of date with your nurses and teacher salaries. Early in their career yes, but with experience and some management responsibilities they will be earning more than that.

I'm all for investing in children, but via education etc - NOT just spunking more money at parents, many of whom will spend it on themselves and still leave their kids without.

I just missed out on being able to claim the dole in the holidays as a student (receiving a free education and on a full grant).

I don’t think I said we shouldn’t have any dc. Seems a bit extreme. I think we should match policies now to requirements in 18 years, as much as possible.

Of course it’s hard to be accurate but the we must push up birth rate doesn’t need to keep going.

Hmm, nurses start at £31k, and not all of the want to go up through the ranks.

Unnecessary.

If it was an insult it was a general insult - yours was personally directed at me the "Mug"
Slightly different.

The maternity services are an absolute disgrace, why couldn’t they have invested the money there???

Beneath you.

Fyi i don't have to read it, i can easily see it in my neighbourhood

They don't vote in the sheer numbers that other groups do.

That’s the Higher Income benefit charge, which has no effect on the benefit cap.
The charge is a tax on the higher earner.

I would prefer the cap to stay and give poorer families the help in other ways.

I don’t think it should be scrapped, we are not entitled to any UC both have to work hard, juggle and go without to afford things for our children like so many families out there.
However child poverty is real problem but there is no guarantee that any additional money given is spent entirely on a child’s needs and not other things. Many children live in poverty due to parental choices with limited money, rather than the limited budget only.
I don’t think there are any quick fixes to be had, would I want more of the money we pay in taxes to help a family who chose to have more children then I had, when I stopped having anymore so that we could look after them properly? No I wouldn’t, but do I want children to go to bed hungry and struggle? No I don’t want that either.
As a civilised society we are meant to protect our most vulnerable members, I’m just not sure how we go about fixing it in a fair way.

Child benefit is the only thing I get 🤷‍♀️

Good. No child should live in poverty in this country - whether you agree the parents should've had more kids or not. Those saying the country cannot afford it are absolutely right - the wealthy are not paying anywhere near enough tax, and that needs to change. [I say this as someone who would be paying the increased taxes]

AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT CHILD BENEFIT

THE HIGHER INCOME BENEFIT CHARGE RELATES TO CHILD BENEFIT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CHILD BENEFIT

We are going to so many people having extra kids just for benefits. Traders, taxi drivers, businesses that operate on a cash basis who under declare will have no issue having more kids because they will just keep claiming.

So basically we are putting the disabled into further poverty so Betsy down the road can pop out 3 more kids for benefits.
wtf.

I worked in the benefits system for over 40 years.

There was a time when lone parents on Income Support didn't have to work if they had a child under 16 years old, then this was reduced to 5 years. I worked with many lone parents who had a child about every so-many years and got to retirement age without ever working. Often the children all had the same surname which was different to the mother's so was obvious they had the same father, but obviously the parents were playing the system.

This is a bit of a conundrum for me. As a society we are living longer and not having enough children to pay for our pensions & care as it is the workers of today that pay for it. We used to be having 2.4 children on average, I understand this has gone down to 1.4. Given that the current working population pay the state pension of us pensioners & also through their taxes & NI payments pay for our increased NHS costs, the figures don't match up. So, it makes sense that the Govt encourage us to have more babies - or at least stop discouraging us from having them.

Either that or open up the borders & allow more immigrants of childbearing age in. But that poses other problems.

Whatever we do it bound to mean increased taxes for us all.

My understanding is that the two child cap applies to the chlld element of UC and tax credits NOT child benefit which is paid to any parent of a child from birth until they leave school. So Betty Brown who works and earns £40K p.a and has 3 kids will get child benefit for each of them. If however she is claiming UC and/or WTC she will currently only get the child element for the first two. Happy to be corrected if wrong

So what will we have to pay more of, to pay for this?

I know!!! I stated that on an earlier post!
But people still confuse the two!