Sick of the lie 'It's just illegal immigrants people don't like.'

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This is just not true.

Reform, the flag flyers and protesters are racists. All of this 'It's just the illegals we want gone.' is a lie to excuse their racism.

But Hitler killed millions of Jewish babies? As far as I know he didn't try and exterminate Palestinian babies. So maybe he's not the best example?

It's a reform word.

of people on Universal Credit in June 2025, 76.4% were from the white ethnic group. The Asian/Asian British ethnicity group accounts for 10.3%. The Black/African/Caribbean/Black British ethnicity group accounts for 6.0%. The Mixed/Multiple Ethnic groups accounts for 2.9%, while the Other ethnic group accounts for 4.4%

In June 2025, 83.6% of people on UC belonged to the immigration status group “CTA – UK, Ireland, Right of Abode” - this means they are, by law, British citizens

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-12-june-2025/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-12-june-2025

Please provide your evidence of this? How far back in "British history" are we going? 1066 or back as far as the Romans?

You’re the one calling people illiterate and saying they can’t read. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Maybe you don't. But the rise of reform is heavily aligned to christian values and voters.

This - you represent 40% to 60% of the country, I believe. You are what I like to call "normal".

Nah he's red - South Park has shown us 😁

Do you have stats by ethnicity in terms of what percentage are on UC because they do not work, vs cannot work, vs are working but are on benefits because ordinary jobs don't pay enough for hard-working people to live on?

You said "There are lots of white Christian men who have very different ideas about women's and LGB rights?Ive never met a single Muslim person in England who is like that".Hence my comment re the Rotherham girls who seem to have had a different experience, replicated across the whole country and even as we find out now in London.

Not "people of colour" being kicked out. Criminals who are not British citizens. We already know this, we've discussed it enough!

Do you have to be a particular colour to be Jewish?

You need to do some research then

Foreign national is a big class and includes people who are awfully and permanently settled here.

Current law:

For non citizens without indefinite leave to remain automatic deportation is required by law under the UK borders act 2007. This would apply to anyone who receives a sentence of 12 months or more. Home office can also revoke visas for shorter sentences or repeat offenders.

Those with ILR can still be deported. Judges have discretion here though. And they regularly allow rapists to stay - that's because the UK has terribly shockingly short convictions for these crimes and mysoginstic views on sexual violence

For asylum seekers or refugees - they can only be deported if the offence is particularly serious and deportation doesn't breach international law.

The real issue is that UK Law doesn't consider sexual violence a particularly serious crime. It's a systematic failure.

We need tougher laws around sexual violence. But that wouldn't be any good overall as the prison bill for our British offenders would significantly rise.

Law needs to change then. I'm pretty sure we couldn't go round committing crimes in more normal countries and not get kicked out eventually.

Absolutely agreed. 100%

But as I said... This would significantly increase the prison bill for the home grown british problem with sexual violence. As they'd all have to be in prison much longer too...

To be clear, I am sickened by anyone (British or foreign) who commits crimes.

You want a two tier system of justice - anyone who's not a citizen goes down a different justice path than anyone who is.

Quite easy to see how vulnerable people (with lower IQ, social, emotional or learning challenges) could be exploited by British citizens if this was the law.

But perhaps you think all human trafficking, county lines, sex trafficking is exclusively by non Brits... And they would never ever never exploit foreign nationals to commit crimes.

We have such a low conviction rate for rape anyway. Bearing in mind grooming gangs have been operating with impunity for decades throughout the country. So I'm not sure longer sentences will be much of an issue.

I see no problem with having different levels of punishment for people who we can deport and those we can't. The right to immigrate should come with the responsibility to be a model citizen, not an average one.

I also, obviously, support much stiffer sentences for British sex offenders, whether they are white, black, brown or blue-haired.

Yes we should have a two tier system of justice for citizens v non citizens. Like any other country. And if you are a non citizen and are found guilty of a crime, you're out. Perfectly reasonable. Non citizens are guests in this country.

Also swx trafficking by definition involves forcible relocation..so perhaps a lot of those girls might be pleased to have a Home Office flight back home.

Although your link also says (their bold type);

Ethnicity statistics
Universal Credit claimants are asked to answer optional equality questions when making their claim.
In June 2025, 75.6% of Universal Credit claimants had provided information on their high-level ethnic group (5 options) or sub-group (18 options). Therefore, Universal Credit ethnicity statistics should be treated with caution due to a degree of non-completion.

It creates an environment ripe for abuse by organised crime - entice people who are desperate, have them work running drugs/prostitution/etc and then let taxpayers pay to deport them.

The only lever we currently have on gangs people trafficking is by doing what we currently do and keeping the people on boats separate from the smugglers long enough to assess them and then deport.

Yes it's a cost. I get it.

And sometimes when you fix one problem you cause another.

But we don't want to talk about our British problems. And we definitely don't want to talk about organised crime and the British people getting rich from it.

Yes. No statistics are perfect.

What is your point? Because no census will ever be 100% we should disregard them.

How does that belief fit with the stats you do believe in terms of others?

You have to laugh... This says white Brits are a problem. Of course not - those stats are incomplete!

But look at the numbers for others....that's for sure true.

Sigh

I casked chatgpt to do some per capita calculations and it tells me per capita it's the lowest for white British

@Londonisthebestcityintheworld ’But we don't want to talk about our British problems. And we definitely don't want to talk about organised crime and the British people getting rich from it.’

We can, but this thread is, or at least is titled, about immigration and immigrants.
Illegal immigrants should be detained in camps, not in hotels.
The hotels only entice more people.
Why the government has not invested in camps I don’t know, but I’m guessing having 300,000 illegal immigrants detained highlights their incompetence at governing.

Agreed.

Infrastructure, water availability, health services etc., all need to be ahead of the game, not constantly struggling to catch up.

Its madness to say that anyone or everyone can live here if they want to.

I am in favour of a tough immigration policy that includes having enough funds to support yourself and/or skills that are required.

I would also like to think that we are a caring nation and am also in favour of asylum for those in desperate circumstances.

But if you have no skills, no funds and aren't in desperate circumstances, you just fancy a nicer life than you currently have, then sorry, no.

I am annoyed by the small boats because they are coming from mainland Europe. I don't understand how a situation arises that people pitch up in the UK, have travelled through one or more Countries in mainland Europe. Why do they not claim asylum there if they have grounds for asylum.

I have absolutely no issue with the UK accepting our fair share of genuine asylum seekers who have claimed asylum elsewhere.

But I do not agree that anyone can arrive in the county - whether by boat, plane, train, swimming the channel etc , and assume it OK to just stay.

That does not make me racist.