Sick of the lie 'It's just illegal immigrants people don't like.'

[Slightyamusedandsilly]

This is just not true.

Reform, the flag flyers and protesters are racists. All of this 'It's just the illegals we want gone.' is a lie to excuse their racism.

Preserving British culture doesn’t mean freezing the country in time or rejecting change. It means protecting and valuing the things that have historically defined the UK, like free speech, the rule of law, individual liberty, the English language, local traditions, national holidays, Christian ethics, a sense of humour.
It’s about keeping the cultural DNA intact while still allowing for evolution, so integration adds to the nation, not replacing it.

@GoodTimesNoodleSalad all these things you mention though I still see around me. Interesting you mention Christian ethics - just an observation that I find it interesting how so few of the British born even go to Church anymore and that’s not something that immigration would have prevented especially as I would have thought that’s an excellent community based way of strengthening one’s own culture yet the continuously falling attendance makes me wonder how much effort the people themselves are willing to put in to protect their culture.

Change is inevitable, that’s for sure and people will have to accept they’re not all going to be the possibly preferred paler skin tones but a mixture of all colours. That said, I’m certainly not a proponent of uncontrolled migration but as someone with brown skin, born here with hardworking immigrant parents and myself contributing since 18 also, I don’t think people who aren’t of the same heritage realise how demoralising it is to be caught up in a sort of limbo within the immigration topic for decades upon decades and very much feeling like a scapegoat when it’s a far more complex issue involving historical government policies. All I know is I was born here, have fully contributed, have embraced every part of it and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. I appreciate all the replies I’ve had 🙂.

You’d be the first person to claim you want to help the dispossessed and the poverty-stricken, give those who’ve had a poor start in life a hand up and a help out.

Unless they’re the white British, in their own country. You couldn’t care less about those people. And they know it, which is why your performative empathy and empty words have no impact anymore. You do realise momentum is building, the tide is turning and you’re on the losing side of the battle now?

Another thing racists love to do is to argue the semantics of racism, to try to deny and obfuscate the point that what they’ve said is, in fact racist. The racist will then deny, deflect, gaslight and minimise to try to explain why they aren’t racist, lots of protestations about ‘being taken out of context’ usually combined with slurs against the homogeneous group they call ‘the left’.

The racist will position themselves as the victim, even though they are forever ranting about ‘free speech’ but only when it applies to them apparantly. Racists don’t seem to understand that their hate speech is illegal in the UK, and for good reason. The racist will then continue stamping their feet, throwing insults and accusations all because someone had the audacity to name their words for what they are - racist.

I see this on MN all the time, since the recent influx of far right often US-based posters have joined us with extreme views around racism, bigotry and misogyny. It’s like a pantomime act and it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.

@GoodTimesNoodleSalad

What are "Christian ethics"?

Nobody has removed free speech. You have a right to free speech and expression of Christianity under the ECHR (Article 10). So long as you are not infringing the law. Of course, 'free speech' doesn't mean 'freedom to say anything, to anyone, without consequences' but it never has. Your free speech rights are as they have always been.

I think the sneering ‘Tyler’ spoke for itself didn’t it?

Yawn. You are trying to speak for everyone. Which no one can do. Just speak for yourself and say if you are a racist or not. That's all you can do.

I repeat again, you assume incorrectly.

There are always two sides. Allied powers v Nazis. Palestine v Israel. Russia v Ukraine.

Each clearly has an extreme right wing aggressor.

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Just found this gem on an entirely unrelated thread.

”I am no Daily-Mail-reading immigrant-hating flag-shagger, but I have very little sympathy for the illegal migrants who die trying to cross the channel.”

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No. My point is that Tyler is whining about skilled people filling 'his' job while he can barely tie his own shoelaces.

So he may have come from a deprived background, may not have had a good education or any opportunities to do better, but it’s his own fault and you needn’t care about him?

I’ll bet you wouldn’t say that if Tyler wasn’t white.

Even if what you say is true, it’s still a bad idea. You’re importing people to work and support a large amount of people to do very little. How does this continue into the future? It’s not the answer. It’s unsustainable.

People don’t generally sympathise with those who intentionally put themselves in dangerous situations.

Of course they do; many people sympathise with others who have to put themselves in dangerous situations to survive. What a bizarre statement.

Oh, and that post got deleted because it’s racist. Just so you’re clear.

Immigration is just a red herring. It's not an issue. Remember way back around 2008, when none of us were prepared to "lower ourselves" by working in restaurants or care homes?

We thought it was alot more sporting to have immigrants to do that dirty work!

Didn't have problem when the economy was sloshing with money did we?

Now that we fucked ourselves over with Brexit. Now that our supermarket shelves are literally empty. Now that we passed laws which have made rent unaffordable and locked an entire generation out of the housing market. Now we are suddenly worried about "all them illegals coming over here, stealing our jobs." !

It's pathetic really.

And considering our history of invading other countries and taking everything from the people who lived there. The current cries of "nationalism" seem even more pathetic.

Racism is some not peculiar sin that swills around in the souls of white people specifically, such that any view short of the full Guardian line must be the product of it.

The worldwide attitudes data suggests that if you pick a random recent immigrant and a random UK resident, the former is much more likely to hold racist views.

Quite it isn’t ’white people versus the rest of the world’. There is a lot of racism and active discrimination between African countries, Sunni and Shia Muslims, Indian caste system etc

Problems that aren't even dealt with anyway 🙄

Shouldn't have voted for Brexit, innit

In one industry dependant on a vulnerable demographic being looked after?

So if we have those problems, why add to them knowingly? It’s madness.

Excessive immigration was going on long before Brexit 1997 was when Tony Blair started it. Up until then it had been pretty controlled so it wasn't a problem.

What's madness is this level of bigotry exists.

If immigration is halted, what will become of Britain's ageing population? Run by AI and digital ID control? Forced pregnancies? The feminist movement here is regressing, so that was a moot point by PP who stated that it has established itself here, it really has not.

I don't understand what you mean? Just the meaning of the sentence. Pls can you clarify?

If you're worrying about there being enough careworkers, firstly I think they will be one of those jobs where immigrants will be allowed in according to need, notwithstanding the low wages.

But I do have a problem with this always being cited as an example of why we need more immigration being because immigrants will do the jobs UK citizens won't. And we can therefore also pay them low wages. It's as if we are importing a sub class of people to carry out the crap jobs and it's all a bit too Dubai for me. Better pay a decent wage. Unemployment is rising in the UK due to Rachel Reeves attack on businesses and workers with the rise in ENI and so people will probably.be more inclined to take care jobs in future.

There's nothing wrong with a country looking after it's own people. It's immoral to do otherwise.