Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

[Onegingerhead]

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

One slightly less-black spot in all this shit is that Reform has said that they will not remove ILR from EU citizens who are beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement. I suspect they don't fancy the EU reciprocating.

Reform can still fuck off, though.

Yes signing on would be good

also I would like a crack down on people who don’t even live here using NHS and I don’t know how getting pension credit when they are here.

DH and I have now dual citizenship because we didn't trust the government (any of them) to stick with the promises after the referrendum.

But - I definitely have thoughts of what will happen and if I will still be happy here if there is a big shift to the right. We have around 10 years to retirement and I wonder what to do when DD (also dual nationality) is settled after uni.

I actually hope DD will use her uni year abroad to consider moving as well.

nd some people are so dumb no wonder the can say what they want and you bootlickers lap it up whilst they laugh all the way to tax avoidance heaven They are corrupt, Orwell was a genius something you cleanly aren’t. Sooner or later a policy will come for you too.

and I suppose Hitler and Mussolini never used hidden meanings 😂 honestly you people are thick, anything to defend the corruption just because you can’t admit something is very very wrong with all of this.

A lot of people said the same in Germany in the 20s and 30s.

If you are married to a British guy, make sure he respects you enough to vote Lib Dem , no Reform

I have never really understood this argument. When I was at a maternity appointment in a London hospital the 30+ pregnant women in the waiting room were all speaking languages other than English, the nurse told me I was her first appointment of the day that did not need an interpreter. If you remove all foreign doctors and also remove all foreign patients would it not even out? I do not agree with reform but the maths seems obvious.

I hope that common sense prevails and this shower of lunatics get nowhere near government but I understand your feelings OP, it doesn't affect me as I'm British going back generations but it sure as hell offends me that people like yourself are being scapegoated for Farage to win a personality contest, the atmosphere is tainted by these clowns

Most foreigners I know go home for medical treatment including dentistry, me included. The NhS isn’t that much of a pull for Europeans 😅

It won't happen but given how openly racist veiws are now mainstream I can understand being worried. It must be horrible putting the news on and hearing the things that are now openly discussed and put forward as potential policies if Farage gets the keys to No. 10. Four years is a very long time in politics and I do wonder how Farage is going to be able to keep this up

I follow Lowe on Twitter. He states clearly that he has no problem with people of whatever race living for as long as they like in the U.K. so long as they arrive legally and aren’t reliant on benefits to live. As far as I’m aware, that is Farage’s position. I’ve never heard any elected politician say that they wish or intend to deport self-supporting immigrants. There’s no way on this earth that I’ll be voting Reform but this sort of hysterical fear mongering is irresponsible.

Exemptions from conditions on residence status are an ad hoc political agreement.

It doesn't have anywhere NEAR the roots and underlying logic that citizenship vs. no citizenship has.

They are not comparable AT ALL.

Citizenship is the basis on which states are organized. There are really fundamental legal principles about statelessness, nation-state, sovereignty, human rights there. Residence permit agreements are just a national state competence with a flavour of the day.

This example proves my point that people don't understand where the really crucial distinctions lie, from a legal and international legal and consular, if you wish, point of view.

I can't see how Farage hates foreigners.

He married an Irish woman and then a German woman. Kids with both. Now seemingly with a French woman.

It seems to me that Farage isn't going to deport people with jobs. It's more people who are taking the piss.

Well I wonder where these patients are all coming from?

fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/

Oh my fucking God . Have you read the latest proposals on ILR?

That’s why I’m applying the British citizenship.

I don’t trust any of the British politicians.
Im not feeling British. But I’m also not going to see my life disappear in front of my eyes but because of some lunatics.
So a piece of paper (and £2k) it is.
All to hopefully be able to stay in the same country as my children

This 👏 👏

You will be fine. It’s scaremongering. The country would collapse if they tried to do this! Try not to worry xx

This is my worry for my step dad. He is now retired and would not meet any income thresholds imposed. My mum is British and so could not simply go away with him thanks to Brexit. Plus they have no "back home" to go to, he's been here since the 70s and their whole life is here. Prior to all the Brexit nonsense there was no issue. Anyone who thinks rounding up and deporting foreigners is a good idea needs to read Niemoller, remember that his friendship group of rich white men are the only group Farage actually cares about and then think very very hard before voting. This presupposes they are capable of critical thought which I sometimes wonder about given the utter shite that I have heard over the last few weeks.

Again they keep changing the goal posts with legal/illegal. No wonder back in history they would do and at what they wanted if people keep making excuses? What about foreigners who’ve worked all their lives and maybe come into hardship later on sickness or anything really! To be honest they will come for other people too on other stuff. it’s just the beginning. This man is a Trump lover. I can’t see it ending well

We’d be fucked without foreigners. Not sure why some people don’t realise this.

You'd be suprised how many people this did pass by.

You think Europeans are coming to the UK for medical treatment?
What do you think of old Brits getting medical treatment in Spain ?

There is hardly an NHS left as it is. If The far right gets in that it for everyone. Difference is I can move away.

the point is - as with those with EU citizenship in the post Brexit UK - up to now they haven't had to. It is expensive and time consuming. And they may not qualify for one reason or another.

If you have ILR it should be that. Indefinite. And any new rules should not be allowed to apply retrospectively.

I got sick to the back teeth after brexit with people saying "but you've been there most of your adult life, why not apply for citizenship before now". My eyes rolled so much i got migraines.

But not repeatedly every 5 years. And he's talking about a threshold of £60k. So, for example, someone who has lived here, worked and paid taxes for their entire working life but has a pension that is less than £60k would not be able to renew the new visa and would have to leave.