To be worried about the apparent acceptance of racism

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I'm of indian heritage but born and raised in the UK and married to my white British husband. We have 3 children and I'm worried about racism towards them. I have had racism directed towards me when younger but it seemed to be getting better but now I'm being sucked into the rabbit hole of flags and alternative messages and people having p**i (edited by MNHQ) etc shouted at them by school children. I've always promoted how accepted we are and how this is our home and I feel so anxious and upset. I don't know what I'm expecting just feel sad overall.

mainly coloured migrants hurting our women and taking our jobs is a worry for me
Coloured? Who are these "coloured migrants" that are "taking our jobs" and "hurting our women"?

as a person of colour with nephews who are brown skinned
Person of colour? Do you mean a "coloured person" or is that reserved for specific people?

I thought the general consensus is that it's racist for anyone to use that word. How do you not know that yet complaining about racism?

I do agree with you that racism has become easily overlooked/dismissed and those who call it out attacked (as I probably would be).

I've seen the video of this incident on social media. The white couple are two of the most stupid people to ever exist. The incident began over a complaint over alleged lack of control of their dog though the video is not running at this point. It then escalated into racial abuse, as you say based on skin colour. Their target is a health worker who has worked at the local hospital for over a decade. The woman speaks fluent English and with a semi-British accent. Despite this, the man asks if she's recently arrived by boat. Obviously not. The woman then joins in with more of the same and at one point tries to jostle with the health worker who promptly pushes her to the ground. Throughout, the altercation the health worker stands her ground, both verbally and physically, quite rightly.

I live in Calderdale and work in Halifax town centre. It is a multi-racial society and by and large everyone rubs along perfectly well together. It goes without saying that this incident was completely unjustified and the response on social media was universally in support of the health worker. It was the public who identified and reported the couple to the police. The irony of "go back to where you come from" is that neither the English man or woman has a Yorkshire accent, I can't place it beyond it's a southern accent. Given they've made themselves a public laughing stock, once the police have finalised matters, they would be sensible to take their own advice. They're not welcome here.

This is the conveyor belt to full on racism. If you’re concerned about immigration, on some level you’re concerned over the Other.

Woman of colour is a normal term. It is a known fact well documented that racism towards women of colour particularly is systemic and institutional. Many women of colour not only have to navigate the institutional racism in society but also the institutional sexism. Also the majority of rapists, pedophiles and murderers in UK prisons are statistically overwhelmingly white so whoever's on about migrants mostly abusing children, you've probably got your grossly incorrect info from some ignorant fool like Tommy Robinson (himself a convicted criminal who has served time in jail).

What rubbish!

Your posts suggest that A- It’s only white British citizens that are concerned about mass unskilled immigration, when the fact is, British citizens from different ethnic backgrounds also have their concerns regarding MUI.

B- The public voted for Brexit because they were sick of MUI for Europe. Mainly poorer European countries. The vast majority were white Caucasian so how does that tie in with your racist rhetoric? It doesn’t!! So again, your post is nonsense.

To add, this is the type of comment that tries to create divisions and animosity by shutting down any discussion. You’re part of the problem!

My late father was an Eastern European Displaced Person. I'm white, but had an obviously foreign name when I was at school.

Primary school wasn't problematic, but at my Scottish secondary I was called a 'half-caste' among other choice words. Fortunately, there were also many lovely people there.

All we can do is call out bigots.

There is no Racism here OP, just "concerns about immigration" apparently
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this, despite what The Media says I still believe that the vast majority of people here are not racist, well I hope so anyway

I’m sorry OP. I’m white British but have a mixed heritage child and its profoundly depressing to me but I can’t imagine what it must be like for someone of non-white heritage.

Like PPs, I can only say that if it helps you, please remember a lot of people in this country are also concerned about and disgusted by some of the rhetoric we are seeing in society.

I still think at heart this is a basically tolerant country and this will pass. But its unpleasant. I want my country back.

Same with me, I was called all kinds of names because of my Czech surname. My late F was accused of being a Russian spy (he was in reality a refugee from Communism).

However, no one knows that about me now, as my married name is very English. Being white, I’m able to do that; a person of colour isn’t. So the racism they experience on a completely different level from any prejudice I’ve had to cope with.

They may not be living in luxury but they are being housed and fed and receiving care which is casting the British tax payers alot of money.

Charity begins at home. Our problem is we are too soft and that's why folk want to come here.

I think, if you’re not personally affected, you need to just live your life.

People have varied views about everything - but the net is a madhouse anyway.

How do you propose the government deals with the arrivals that would cost us less? How much would your idea cost compared with the cost of the current arrangements? If you have a figure for the amount saved, what appreciable difference do you think this money will make to the lives of British disadvantaged people? How far will it alleviate their poverty and improve their life chances?
Because without having the answers to these questions, its all a bit vague, isn't it? Stop this thing and things will be better because it's their fault its all a bit rubbish. Personally I'd want a few more specifics before I decided to pin all the blame and all my hopes for improvement on one Issue. Especially when I know that the greatest cause of disadvantage in Britain is wealth inequality and that this isn't anything to do with people on boats.

I think some people don't want us to spend any money on refugees. I dont think our system is the best but I love that we have human rights and that we are considered a safe country.

If I lived in a poverty stricken war torn country with very few, if any rights I would want to move somewhere safer.

I didn’t mention colour, I mentioned othering. Any group can other, but since you mention it, why do we constantly hear about ‘non white faces’ (Jenrick) ‘the problem with Islam’ (see below) and ‘integration’ (Kate Lam). These narratives are slowly moving from the immigration you mention, towards settled British citizens not being welcome in the country anymore.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/most-tory-members-believe-islam-is-a-threat-to-british-way-of-life-poll-finds

The problem is people hear "stories" and take them as fact, so pass them on until they become "fact". We have some local refugees who I know reasonably well for various reasons.

They're being housed in hotels
Well, you can call it a hotel. If I was staying and paying I'd be complaining though. At one point their standard dinner was a potato. That's just a potato, not even butter on it. It has improved from that but only after people (not the people eating it, I'll add) complained.

They get benefits
The lot I know get around £10 a week. That's £10 for everything from sanitary protection, medication, bus trips, clothing. Yes, they're raking the money in.

They're all young men
The majority I know are families. Young families. And if you look at some of those children you can see trauma in their eyes.

The young men stand outside all day wolf whistling at local ladies etc
Funny, because I go past twice most days and have never seen a single young man standing outside. I have seen the families leaving/returning from school, or going out to the park. I suspect it's confirmation bias. Young man = immigrant; family = local.

They don't do anything and expect us to provide everything
They're not allowed to work, so they can't. But the ones I know are keen to do something, and particularly to do something that helps. Some of the ones I know go and help pack bags at the local foodbank. They walk in and out (around 3 miles) because they can't afford the bus fare, but they want to help so do it.

They expect us to provide housing
The family I know that have just been given leave to remain have been given housing. Yes, that's true, and the housing they're delighted with, because it's nicer than before. It's still one room in a shared house. That's one room for a family of four. They'd get a three bed as a council house.

How would you cope if you had to leave your home and take your family because you were under threat of being killed?

You didn’t say it, but if that’s not what you meant then your argument makes even less sense than before.

Many people have concerns about immigration but that doesn’t make them all racist. Yes racists will have a problem with immigration full stop, but the majority of people are not racist!

we all want our cake and eat it , right.
Some things have to be overcome. No one from the street will be able to battle your own personal battles because ( I am foreign ) we all are different

If you have personal racist attacks, go to the police

yes it is true. That's right. I am Balkan and cannot even start describing to you how chauvinist, nationalist etc Balkan men ( I am a woman ) men are. OK

I go to old folk clubs and my best friend there is African man and we laugh our hearts out and comment on all sorts of things cultural, national, even his tribe - he sounds like he is racist to how own tribe because he shows me how their women dance naked. But it is just a cultural thing

Then his kids are mix race and his grandkids look completely white....

we are capable of all living well with each other and intermarrying

we are capable of laughing the daylight of our cultural differences and still be best friends in the end of the day and his children and grandchildren have chose white British partners. Yes, we can achieve this society

The other day he was laughing at the continental toilets, you know the ones with just a hole down the ground. But then also I was laughing how their women do all the hard work of making food, raising the children and the man sits in the front of the hut literally zonning out - eh??

I think you're missing the point of the flags....

That all sounds awful. Thing is though, I had the misfortune of reading many of your posts on another thread (before they were all deleted), which were full of some of the most virulent race hatred I have ever heard. You must remember what you were posting- lots of calling perfectly reasonable posters satan, white devils, Hitler worshippers, evil white fascists revelling in the blood of babies. No doubt I missed a lot, given how fast your posts were being deleted. Tbh, given how unhinged your posts were, I assumed you were suffering from serious mental health problems.

But now on this thread I see you are perfectly capable of posting without the deranged, out of control racism when it suits you. So I guess you are just the most virulently racist person I have ever had the misfortune of coming across.

See my previous post. @Lighttheway most likely did lose her job due to racism- her own racism, that is.

That’s very true.

I had a boss who thought that I was a Communist and blocked my promotion. Then he found out that I was a member of the Church of Scotland…