ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

Starmer, having failed:

1. in his promise to ‘smash the gangs’ (whatever that vague undertaking ever meant in the first place),

2. in his hair-brained ‘one in, one out’ policy,

Has now resorted to his latest attempt at gas-lighting the broader public with his ID card scheme.

By how much will this increase Reeves’s black hole? Us, the tax payers will be on the hook for it - not the immigrants, not the welfare claimants.

Utter madness from this abomination of a government.

How disappointing to see what a naive and ignorant the average MN is, who is sleep walking into serfdom so willingly.

The real truth of your post came out in the last sentence OP.

I live in a country with ID cards and I have seen arrests in action due to non white people not carrying it and it feels positively terrible as a bystander.

I‘m not right wing and ID cards go against my sense of liberalism.

'Surely'. Lmao.

Every state issues some form of citizen ID at least some of the time, passports if nothing else. But there are loads who don't have a compulsory ID card system at all. The UK is not any kind of outlier at present even in the West, though you wouldn't know that from some of the posts on here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

For you specifically, are you able to have a provisional driving licence? Cheaper than a passport and no need to want to drive with it. But some people have a medical condition excluding them.

I’m fine with it. Hopefully they use it to restrict access to the NHS, and start making people pay upfront if they’re not a citizen.

Interesting that the OP seeks to burnish their credentials by asserting that they have worked in organised crime for decades, and have been involved in small boat arrivals - presumably in the Civil Service?

They then proceed to show political bias.

Right there, is everything that is wrong with this country.

I’m surprised at the backlash. Other first world countries have implemented it; it’s a bit late in the U.K. but better late than never. I’m all for it.

OP they can clearly comprehend how long you have worked in SOC. What this person is getting at is that you’re not clear whether you are a criminal yourself or you work in tackling SOC, E.g police.

They have all of the data and more already.

Yep.

im very left but on there fence with these I'd cards it feels like we are going right back to show me your papers and cant help but feel COVID vaccine card where trial run never had that vaccine thank goodness but for many it was degrading watching them look for this piece of paper to enter a bar when the staff didn't even get asked about covid tests or vaccines etc so I would not be in favour

It’s fine, I’ve lived in a country where I needed an ID card as a legal resident. Last time I lived in the UK I needed to provide a copy of something like my passport and where I had been registered on the electoral roll etc. it’s a pain in the arse. Much easier to present your ID card. Also it will be incredibly helpful for tracking things like financial crime. I felt weird being issued with one initially and it absolutely felt a bit like the government was keeping an eye on me, but it was absolutely fine.

You do realise that across most of the developed world it’s standard practice to require you to carry ID? I was in Italy recently and it was a €50 fine if you were stopped and didn’t have a government issued ID document on you. Citizens and tourists alike.

If we were still in pre-lockdown times, I might have said yes to ID cards.

But now that the state has shown its true colours in 2020, and how much they were prepared to gaslight, con, rob, and frighten the public, it’s now a hard NO.

We were told lockdown would “flatten the curve”.
We were told “no child would miss out on their education”. (Nick Gibb)
We were told “nobody would be left behind”. (Sunak)
We were told “normalish by Christmas 2020”.
We were told “vaccine passports would never happen.” (We came very, very close to them being compulsory for everyday business.)
We were told “test and trace will prevent a third lockdown.”
We were told “it’s not lockdown, it’s only tier 4, and if you are good children and get your vaccines, and don’t ask questions, we can go down through the gears of tiers.”
We were told “they were not parties, they were meetings essential for morale”.

Basically, we were gaslighted and royally fucked over on a massive scale, and the party which is now in government completely failed to voice a shred of opposition - and I’m sure that if Farage were in power, he would have made Boris Johnson look honest and truthful.

Does this threat stop what it’s billed to solve here?

It’s almost like the tories are rotten to the core.

”I’m not doing it, they can’t keep data safe”
”I’m not doing it, they can track where I am”
”I’m not doing it, giving the Government information about me”

They have all the information already, the only difference is that you, will be responsible, for carrying it round with you.

You already have an NI number, NHS number, Government Gateway ID, Passport number (and when people bleat about hacking and cyber attacks, I think you’ll find the worst of it has been private sector, where people willing hand over personal data)

It will be much harder to fake than a paper document… making it more difficult for people to employ people illegally (unintentionally, when they gave been shown false documents

…the cats out the bag with “they know where I am” - you phone is tracking that most of the time (available to police investigation crime), and you are caught on CCTV hundreds of time a day … with data in the hands of private companies.

I haven’t seen 1 argument against them that stacks up …

To clarify, do you think saying there's worse data hacks in the private sector in any way addresses or alleviates the potential problem of hacking and cyber attacks on digital ID cards?

But that information is already there. They have literally all of it and more.

Here’s one argument for you.

Starmer cited immigration as THE rationale for introducing them.

Do you see the flaw, now?

Nope.

@ExtraOnions "They have all the information already, the only difference is that you, will be responsible, for carrying it round with you."

Why? A digital ID is accessible anywhere. Why would an employer need to see your phone? They'd have some bit of kit with access to the database.

We are talking about the new digital ID that will be introduced PURELY to prove you are allowed to work in this country. ( 😏 )

If the polls hold and Reform get in are you still ok with a digital ID scheme?

Well, good luck getting it past your back benches.

Many of their constituents will not want to be on another database…