ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

[Fishingboatbobbingnight]

I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

@Fishingboatbobbingnight
Seems like my question won't/can't be answered, but I'll try once again.

Why are the Right objecting due to "their thinly veiled racism"? It makes no sense.

Good idea imo.

When I visited the UK as a pregnant woman near the 6 month mark, I made an appointment at my parents' local NHS hospital for a routine scan. As I was a new-to-them patient, they needed all sorts of information to book me in, and I gave it to them (including that I didn't live in the UK and was just visiting my parents). I lived there for over 30 years, I can easily pass as a resident entitled to taxpayer-funded healthcare even though I'm not.

If I hadn't reminded them after the scan that I'm not entitled to NHS care, they wouldn't have charged me for it. I did remind them, they sent me a bill to my home address a couple of months later (it was just over 120 pounds, if anyone's interested!) - but what the booking in process should have done is ask for my ID Card. My NI number wouldn't have done: this was issued at birth (or when I was 16? can't remember now), never taken away and still valid should I ever move back. My old GP still had me on their books (they were who I called to find out how to go about getting a scan). There's absolutely nothing in the system to alert the NHS that I'm not entitled to free healthcare. I could freeload tens of thousands of pounds of surgery after a car accident and treatment in A&E if I weren't honest.

I know someone who's lived in Spain for almost 50 years who takes Ryanair flights back to England for ALL her non-emergency healthcare and doesn't pay a penny. I don't know how she does it, but have asked her why she feels entitled to it seeing as she hasn't paid tax in the UK for half a century. She says "well I'm British, of course I'm entitled". She's not.

But it's papers please anyway whenever anyone needs to do anything serious. Travel, buy a house, get married, open a bank account. It's not like nobody in the UK has never had to produce photo identification ever. I'm a forrin living in the UK so I'm used to having a national ID card and I never understood why the British are so phobic of photo ID.

The question time debate on the ID cards is quite interesting. If anyone wants to catch up
on iplayer it’s the first topic

Completely against it.

Whay a stupid idea. And posters who agree with them are delusional.

It has NOTHING to do with immigration or the right to work. Just use your brain for two seconds. Those who are willing to hire illegal migrants won't care, those who do care already establish rights to work, a digital I.D card won't change this.

WhY it will be used for is to linkable of your existing accounts to make surveillance easier for the state. ATM all your documents are separate, but a mandated digital I.d will be a way to stitch them together so that you can be monitored more easily. It will become impossible to.do most things without scanning your I.D. this what other countries who have had physical I.D cards don't do.

Want to get on a train, scan your I.D

Buy alcohol, scan your I.D

Go into a pub, scan your I.D.

Once it's in place, you will be required to "verify" yourself at virtually every turn. And each scan of your I.D will automatically be stored by the government. You are all so deluded and naive it's amazing you can tie your own shoelaces.

Your I.D card wasn't digital though was it . . .

Sir Jake Berry made a good argument against the ‘Brit ID Card’ on Newsnight tonight.

The government have already demonstrated that they can’t keep personal data safe, why would anyone trust them with this? Just because other countries are doing it doesn’t mean we have to.

I wonder what would happen if the majority of people refused to take part. What exactly could or would the government do? I mean they don’t punish criminals these days and murders/ rapists get reduced sentences and let out early because there’s no room in prison. So what would they do if we refused to take part.

Sir Jake Berry speaking on GBN Live
Digital ID cards must not happen!!

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1205277858073558&id=100057740664523&http_ref=eyJ0cyI6MTc1ODgzOTUyMzAwMCwiciI6Imh0dHBzOlwvXC93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbVwvIn0%3D

Why would it be so complicated? Lots of other cou tries have an ID system. All that's necessary is to copy them.

Because it’s the British Government and they like to tie things up in red tape and make things more expensive than they need to be

Yes, I’m assuming everyone knows about the Ministry of Justice Government website for legal aid having been hacked in May of this year? Not much media coverage is there?

If you don’t know about it, details of all applicants of legal aid and their financial information (and their partners) from 2007, have been obtained by hackers.

The systems for legal aid are still down and no date of when they’ll be back up and running.

That’s government keeping your data safe!

Yes I do support us having ID cards

though I am concerned about the safety of information online

why can’t they be physical cards

Call me thick but what is a digital ID card?
I thought it was a card with a chip in. Or something that you show show on your phone.

BBC Newsnight with Sir Jake Berry (worth watching the whole episode).

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1971337151318024621/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1971337151318024621&currentTweetUser=BBCNewsnight

I don't really see how it is diffefent from a passport or driving licence. Will it be biometric?.
In all cases documents can be faked. Of course these will be faked too. And the companies already employing illegal workers have processes they are supposed to already follow, to check a persons right to work.
Whenever I have got a new job I have been requested to bring my passport and national insurance number. So the methods to check someones right to work are already there. So clearly these companies are not checking already, why will they suddenly check becuase another new Id has been created?

Because everyone who enters the country will have one, if no ID then surely there will some fine, or other punishment. Hopefully it will be linked to other systems. You can now track people from GP to GP.

i received a letter from nhs saying a none English named person declined an nhs number they had applied for it using my address. Reported to action fraud.

I've had a passport since I was 10. Also an NHS card and a NI card, a driving licence and several bank cards. I get asked to produce them at various points to prove my identity. I carry some of them around with me all the time.

I can't get bothered about having another one to be honest, I'm fine with it.

Clearly not bright enough to get what you mean - she’s not the leader of the OCG. Clearly

This is so simple to respond to
Most people take a phone on all these occasions. Sorted

My only concern is the elderly though and others susceptible to digital exclusion

Im in favour of them. Reform want to degrade large sections of the population to the status of "guest workers". The digital ID could be used to restrict the access to, for example, social housing to British citziens and everyone else goes to the back of the queue behind them. Same with benefits, work, education and medical treatment. In effect a new form of hierarchical society based upon nationalistic lines.

Being pro ID cards because you are pro fascism was a direction In hadn’t expected the thread to take.

Have lived in France (9 years) and the Netherlands (8 years) where it’s compulsory (physical ID in France, digital ID in the Netherlands). Funnily enough everything works pretty seamlessly and they haven’t been turned into totalitarian states 🤷‍♀️

Yep, this is me! Having to fork out £100 for a passport just because there are now so many things I can't do without government ID. Pisses me off.

I've lived in countries with ID cards and have never understood why Brits are so averse to them. You are legally required to have them on you at all times, but now I suppose there's a digital version that would live in your phone.

There can't be many countries that don't have citizen ID?