ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

When is this happening then?

Because people know that none of this is going to prevent the black economy existing. People who live and work in the UK illegally do so in a society where they're supposed to have valid ID in order to do those things, but don't. Creating a new system doesn't in itself change that.

I am not right-wing. Far from it.

But I think it's an awful thing for Labour to do. It's not secure. Nothing is ever 100% secure. Plus, what about people who don't own a smart phone? Are they going to provide smart phones, and training for using those smart phones? I just think it's ridiculous. Give everyone a free, physical photo ID. That's all they have to do. It doesn't need to be online.

“Because people know that none of this is going to prevent the black economy existing. People who live and work in the UK illegally do so in a society where they're supposed to have valid ID in order to do those things, but don't. Creating a new system doesn't in itself change that.”

It would if there were enforcement, like criminal convictions for not keeping a paper trial of their valid ID be it in housing, employment etc.

But it is not to do with doing wrong.

I've done nothing wrong, I'm a positive paragon of virtue... modest too....🤪

It is to do with putting all your personal details, probably including biometrics into a database produced and secured by the lowest bidder from the swamp of IT consultancies. (Crapita and Fujitspew come to mind).

Which people are realistic enough to understand there won't be. Although it's not like we don't have criminal penalties now anyway.

Yep. We were within a hair’s breadth of vaxpasses being made compulsory (endorsed by that Tesco ad of Santa waving one), and they think we’ve forgotten.

I have autistic adult son im by no means suggesting it but saying how they would enforce it . We have IDs where I’m originally from , you can’t even go to school without them .

Just the Horizon scandal and all the recent hacking that inconvenienced so many of you should put people off this idea. No idea of cost but constant NHS computer systems that failed,defence procurement costs that keep rising, HS2 cost rising for a smaller route should tell us all we need to know. Horizon and the PO lied in Court to say everything was wonderful.

Yep. We were within a hair’s breadth of vaxpasses being made compulsory to enter public buildings (endorsed by that Tesco ad of Santa waving one), and they think we’ve forgotten. I haven’t. And they expect us to believe they will “stop the boats”.

As for Nigel, he might be speaking against them now, but if (heaven forbid) he got in, he’d quickly show that he’s no “man of the people” at all. He’d back ID cards when it suited him: he’s two faced, like all politicians are.

I think it will be useful as I don't have a current passport yet I am often asked for my passport for ID purposes. It is a few years out of date .I do not want to pay for this new ID though. Labour can pay for it if they want it brought in.

They wont. It will be you and I, either directly or through the public purse. Political parties don't fund things.

Most countries in the EU issue ID cards.. What's the big deal?

British exceptionalism

Cannot moan about how we don’t know who is in our country using our services if we have no system to check. Saves me having to renew my passport for ID purposes as not sure I will be travelling out of the country in the foreseeable due to illness.

Most countries in the EU issue ID cards.. What's the big deal?British exceptionalism

Hardly. There are dozens of countries in the world who don't have a compulsory ID card system, and even some of the ones in the EU are optional eg Ireland. If we're being exceptionalist, we've a lot of company.

Exactly. Just the usual remarks.

Will it be applied as well as the Internet ID checks have been???

DVLA doesn't know how many cars/drivers are on our roads. It only knows those who hold a license and pay the duty and the cars that are registered
ID cards won't replace passports. Passports are are a globally recognised document. A Digital I D card won't be ready by someone in Argentina or Turkey since they won't have access to the database. UK police forces aren't able to share information with European forces since Brexxit

How’s a compulsory ID card going to change foreign nationals using the system?

Please explain to me how ID cards will prevent anyone from working illegally or employing someone they know is not entitled to work, if that’s something they are willing to do.

Why do we need to roll it into one? What improvements will it bring over and above what we have now?

We aren't in the EU. So guessing we won't have access to their systems. And vice versa do we want Johnny Foreigner accessing our data? That's why many people voted Brexit)

Err, there are criminal convictions for failing to check valid ID. You can go to prison for five years and receive an unlimited fine. And there are immigration teams going round checking and issuing fines.

If employers are still willing to risk it, what difference will ID cards make?

😂Let's hope that breaks the whole idea!

Govern me harder, Daddy 👧

Exactly.