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ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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Fishingboatbobbingnight · 25/09/2025 16:46

I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

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Ontheedgeofit · 25/09/2025 19:12

ChocolateCinderToffee · 25/09/2025 19:09

I'm OK with it. I've got a passport, after all. I think it will mean voting will be easier for people who haven't got a driving licence or a passport. My friends on the European mainland think it's odd that the UK doesn't already issues ID cards.

There is another question I have… how do you manage voters rolls?

So many loop holes without a single ID number linking you to things.

TheDandyLion · 25/09/2025 19:12

It's about time, I'm all for a bit of joined up thinking. We need the UK to step up their game. We should be aspiring to Estonia's online public services model.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 19:12

Ontheedgeofit · 25/09/2025 19:09

If I was a convicted criminal in the UK the first thing I would do is change my name and move to another area.

What do they check marriage certificates against? The 1 millions John Smiths?

How do they check mothers only claim benefits for children born of them?

How do you travel with minor children?

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I don't understand why people with criminal records are allowed to change their name or gender.

popcornandpotatoes · 25/09/2025 19:13

I don't care much either way tbh

Dymaxion · 25/09/2025 19:13

Is it going to be an App ? I don't want an App, I want a nice little card. Do they have cards in Europe or an App ?

WilfredsPies · 25/09/2025 19:13

Bringmeahigherlove · 25/09/2025 18:46

Illegal immigrants can’t claim benefits.

She’s talking about accommodation and financial support provided to asylum seekers until a decision is made on their claim, and to unaccompanied minors and family groups after that point. The whole ‘illegal’ thing refers to method of entry and not because they’ve entered and then disappeared without bringing themselves to the attention of immigration or the police.

It’s not a huge amount but better than in many EU countries.

Ontheedgeofit · 25/09/2025 19:13

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 19:12

I don't understand why people with criminal records are allowed to change their name or gender.

Well how would anyone know you had a criminal record? It should be logged against your ID number on a central database.

ReplacementBusService · 25/09/2025 19:14

ID cards? Surely people in serious organised crime will rapidly find a way of faking them. It'll be a great sideline.

Police aren't investigating the basic crimes we would all like them to anyway, it'll just be another layer of shit to fill up their time:
"ID card sir?" "Oh crap I left it at home" "I'll need you to come with me and fill in some forms then...." Meanwhile 12 houses get burgled, 327 bikes get stolen, 2,478 phones get nicked, a load of low level shoplifting and minor assaults happen, and 700 Evri parcels are lifted from doorsteps and sold on for crack. Officer who might possibly attend is even more busy filling in paperwork about a missing ID card.

If that all sounds cynical, it's because it is. I will carry one if it's mandatory, a genuine one, but I bet there'll be some bloke selling good knock offs down the pub within days of them being introduced.

Charredtea · 25/09/2025 19:15

Charredtea · 25/09/2025 19:09

As someone who was brought up with extremist ’christians’ I’ve been waiting to be branded with the number of the beast my whole life so this ID card nonsense feels a bit wishy washy and nanny pamby in comparison.

i don’t have issue with it but this is the first I’ve heard of it, through scrolling on mumsnet.

as a part time working mum who needs back up from the welfare state in order to keep a roof over our heads and eat etc, I don’t have much in the way of privacy or agency over many things so this doesn’t feel like much of a jump for me.

It would be helpful to have less need for providing documents form lists one and two for various validation purposes .

I hope it doesn’t become a way for crazy xenophobes and racists to start trying to take the law into their hands when they see a different colour skin or hear a different language or accent.

id love for someone to reply to me here, non fear based with pure logic and common sense:
what are the pros?
what are the cons?who is at risk?
when is it expected to happen?

I just asked ai my same question:

Right now there isn’t a national ID card or digital ID scheme in place, but the idea is back on the political agenda. The government and various think-tanks are discussing a digital identity system – sometimes called a “BritCard” – that could be used to verify identity for things like work, housing, benefits, immigration checks, and other public services. It’s still being debated and investigated by the Home Affairs Committee, so nothing is final yet, but they are clearly laying the groundwork.

Supporters say the main advantages are less bureaucracy and faster access to services, less need to keep bringing documents from different lists, and better protection against fraud or impersonation. It could standardise proof of identity across government and potentially save money in the long run.

Critics raise some serious concerns. A single identity system can make surveillance easier and give the state (or whoever runs it) more power to track people. It’s also a big data security risk — if it gets hacked, everyone’s information could be exposed. There’s a risk of “scope creep,” where it starts as optional or limited but ends up being required for more and more things. People without smartphones, good internet, or digital skills could be excluded, and it might increase discrimination if authorities or individuals misuse it to target migrants or minorities. Mistakes in matching data could wrongly deny someone services, and big government IT projects often run over budget and have glitches.

The people most at risk are those already living on the edge — people with low incomes, unstable housing, no tech access, or chaotic lives. Immigrants and minorities could face more scrutiny. Survivors of domestic abuse or people needing privacy might have safety concerns. And honestly, everyone is at risk if there’s a major data breach.

Timing-wise, it’s not happening overnight. There would need to be legislation, safeguards, and infrastructure in place. It’s likely to be introduced gradually – perhaps starting as a voluntary system for certain services – before anything mandatory is rolled out.

So in short, the pros are simpler access, less paperwork, fraud prevention, and consistency. The cons are privacy risks, surveillance potential, exclusion of vulnerable groups, risk of misuse, and the possibility that it grows into something more controlling over time. The real issue is not just whether it happens, but how it is implemented, who controls the data, and what protections are in place to prevent abuse.

RedRiverShore5 · 25/09/2025 19:15

Parker231 · 25/09/2025 19:12

It’s a plastic card - same size as a credit card.

That sounds easier, I think ours will have to be on a phone which will be a nuisance. I certainly don't want an app

twistyizzy · 25/09/2025 19:15

Pedallleur · 25/09/2025 19:08

I can guarantee that once set up NO party in Govt is going to roll it back. Tories will be selling it off like the utilities saying it's good that an offshore investment fund with China/UAE etc as it's investors will be in charge of all our data. How about fingerprinting/DNA everyone to add to the database?

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Are you quoting the right poster? I never said it would be reversed

TurquoiseDress · 25/09/2025 19:16

Dymaxion · 25/09/2025 19:13

Is it going to be an App ? I don't want an App, I want a nice little card. Do they have cards in Europe or an App ?

In France it’s ID cards are far as I know, unless it’s changed in the last year or so

I’d prefer a physical card (obvs costs involved) so it means everyone will have one regardless of smartphone/online or not

ChubbyPuffling · 25/09/2025 19:16

Toastandbutterand · 25/09/2025 18:35

Hmmmmm.

But a lot of posters think benefit claimants don't need a phone...

I will need convincing.

It is a DIGITAL ID...
why would we need a phone? Or to carry it around all the time.

Surely the onus is on the person requiring the digital ID to have a system that interrogates the central Brit card database. Name, fingerprint, facial mapping ought to do it.

Haveanaiceday · 25/09/2025 19:16

Basically another loss of freedom for law abiding citizens who don't like being monitored because it invades their privacy. I haven't done anything wrong so why should I have to have a card that I will now be forced to keep account of and present to get things I never had to produce ID for. As usual the small boat migrants are given as the reason for any annoying policy this government wants to force on us.

HunterCarrie · 25/09/2025 19:16

I am from the country that always had id cards and never understood why this country was against it? We have to have permanent address on it so it replace tons of papers needed here to prove your residency. We can travel around Europe with just id Card and really makes a life simple when applying for credits, bank account etc…you just need to show id card and nobody asks you for the utility bills etc. Life is so much simpler with it!

PenelopeRadish · 25/09/2025 19:17

I was in favour of ID cards when it was proposed before.

The flipping civil liberties brigade will go on and on about it like before.

I watched an old BBC archive clip recently where they were reporting on the introduction of caller ID on digital phones. And discussing how it was nearly derailed by civil liberties lobbyists so they had to create the “withhold caller ID option”.

And now look - a few decades later, many people have their whole lives posted online and are “findable” on LinkedIn.

People need to get over this conspiracy of government surveillance. If the government was competent enough to do effective surveillance we might have an issue, but it never will be.

Parker231 · 25/09/2025 19:18

RedRiverShore5 · 25/09/2025 19:15

That sounds easier, I think ours will have to be on a phone which will be a nuisance. I certainly don't want an app

We had an ID card as a child so a phone app wouldn’t work.

popcornandpotatoes · 25/09/2025 19:18

Ontheedgeofit · 25/09/2025 18:39

Can someone please answer me! If you don’t have an ID document linking you to the criminal justice system how do you do a police clearance for example if someone’s wants to work in a school???

We do something called a DBs check which you are required to enter all previous names and addresses and then it is checked against police records. Tbh it's not a perfect system.and is open to much error.

Carrotcake55 · 25/09/2025 19:18

KnitFastDieWarm · 25/09/2025 18:55

i once worked with a police officer who had held the role of ‘modern slavery champion’ 😁he was, needless to say, not overly impressed with whoever came up with it.

😭😭😂😂

PrimeTimeNow · 25/09/2025 19:18

I’m 100% in favour.

Ontheedgeofit · 25/09/2025 19:19

popcornandpotatoes · 25/09/2025 19:18

We do something called a DBs check which you are required to enter all previous names and addresses and then it is checked against police records. Tbh it's not a perfect system.and is open to much error.

Imagine you could just run someone’s ID number through the system….

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 19:19

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/09/2025 19:03

Time for No2ID to update their website and get out on the streets again.

I will not be complying with this under any circumstances and regardless of sanction. Any associated literature will be destroyed and binned, and I will happily rot in a cell before I carry any form of government issued compulsory ID.

It's fundamentally at odds with concepts of presumed innocence and the right to anonymity in public, and there is no convenience in it because I already have perfectly adequate means of identifying myself to anyone who needs to know.

This can only be for the convenience of the State, and since government has time and time again shown little ability to host and safeguard data it's inevitable that it will lead to theft and abuse. I doubt central government could actually manage this project in any case, so it will undoubtedly involve some set of profiteering charlatans, Capita or suchlike, who will immediately punt the data on for all sorts of purposes.

It will not come about by 2029 in any case, and I can't see any flavour of UK government other than a typically authoritarian Labour one pressing ahead with this.

Edited

Do you not think you're overreacting just a little bit?

bombastix · 25/09/2025 19:20

Imagine when private companies ask for it, such as banks, porn sites, or gambling businesses.

Scope creep doesn’t just happen via the Government

Parker231 · 25/09/2025 19:21

Haveanaiceday · 25/09/2025 19:16

Basically another loss of freedom for law abiding citizens who don't like being monitored because it invades their privacy. I haven't done anything wrong so why should I have to have a card that I will now be forced to keep account of and present to get things I never had to produce ID for. As usual the small boat migrants are given as the reason for any annoying policy this government wants to force on us.

Depends on whether you want to access things like healthcare and education or get paid for your job. I’ve had my card since I was little - has never been a problem. Why the scaremongering?

Ontheedgeofit · 25/09/2025 19:22

bombastix · 25/09/2025 19:20

Imagine when private companies ask for it, such as banks, porn sites, or gambling businesses.

Scope creep doesn’t just happen via the Government

You don’t think banks should be asking for Identification?

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