ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

i once worked with a police officer who had held the role of ‘modern slavery champion’ 😁he was, needless to say, not overly impressed with whoever came up with it.

That does sound good. I’m all for reducing faffing about with paperwork.

Worse case scenario - the government uses it at an instant kill switch, essentially canceling you as a citizen. Seems unlikely now but.. 😬

Another question… how do you know the man you are marrying is not already married?

Makes it easier to track people How? If they hold one, it won’t make it easier to track them unless they have to use it. And if they don’t hold one, it still won’t make it easier to track them if they avoid the situations where they’d need to show it.

Makes it harder for people to claim to be someone they are not ( a tactic used but illegal immigrants, adopting the identity of someone who was here legally and has left) Any police or immigration officer will have access to a fingerprint machine and will bosh that within seconds. If they’re dealing with anyone else, it won’t make a difference. They’d just avoid certain situations, like accepting paye jobs.

Makes it harder to access healthcare if you are here illegally ( as long as people in healthcare settings enforce it). If I go to a hospital in France without an id or a “carte vitale” ( needed to access healthcare) I pay. That was the case even before Brexit Are you aware of the ongoing issues with hospital trusts already failing to chase payment for those not entitled to NHS treatment? And the healthcare professionals who firmly believe that it’s not their job to deal with immigration? And the people who simply won’t go unless it’s a life or death emergency and treatment can’t be refused?

Makes it harder to pick up casual work. No it doesn’t. There are huge numbers of people working illegally or while receiving benefits and employers willing to pay less to people who need cash in hand. ID cards won’t change that if prison sentences and unlimited fines haven’t made a difference.

Surely this ID introduction has more to do with the fact that the Government are preparing for the country to be at war. Having a basic ID would then lead to Rationing would it not?

I don't see why it has to be a card, in this day and age it should be a microchip implanted under your skin.

I don't see it stopping illegal migration, but think it would be useful. I used to hate having to take my passport on a night out for id because I didn't drive. Plenty of people don't have either passport or driving licence and it does become difficult for them to prove their identity for things like banking. There is already info stored by the government on us and even the photo for my passport was saved and asked me if I wanted to use it when renewing my licence.

Or criminals.

You and your family can be first. Why not have a tattoo on your arm. There is a template for that

I simply don’t trust our Goverment to do anything in our best interests any more and they aren’t competent enough to get it done efficiently, it will be a huge money making racket for a few well connected companies.

There will be a massive industry in identity theft, fakes and data harvesting - I DON’T want ALL my information in one place thank you very much.
Having an NI number, a Passport number, an NHS number makes Identity theft harder, so why make it easier?
I still have a paper driving license from 1994 because I didn’t want a photo one.

I will NOT comply with being asked for my ‘papers’ in my own Country without a Very Good Reason.

Time for No2ID to update their website and get out on the streets again.

I will not be complying with this under any circumstances and regardless of sanction. Any associated literature will be destroyed and binned, and I will happily rot in a cell before I carry any form of government issued compulsory ID.

It's fundamentally at odds with concepts of presumed innocence and the right to anonymity in public, and there is no convenience in it because I already have perfectly adequate means of identifying myself to anyone who needs to know.

This can only be for the convenience of the State, and since government has time and time again shown little ability to host and safeguard data it's inevitable that it will lead to theft and abuse. I doubt central government could actually manage this project in any case, so it will undoubtedly involve some set of profiteering charlatans, Capita or suchlike, who will immediately punt the data on for all sorts of purposes.

It will not come about by 2029 in any case, and I can't see any flavour of UK government other than a typically authoritarian Labour one pressing ahead with this.

I imagine this would speed up DBS checks? 8 weeks later and still waiting due to change of name after marriage. I needed to provide my passport, drivers licence, marriage certificate, birth certificate and a bill (which was a nightmare as they are all digital!).

I imagine there are so many things this would help so fingers crossed it’s rolled out quickly!

Passports & driving licenses are optional

An National ID card means everyone will have one, so can use to prove their identity if they have neither of the above

Exactly.

You could also then make sure the man you are marrying is not already married…

https://thaitimes.com/vietnam-closes-86-million-untouched-bank-accounts-over-biometric-id-rules

Wait until your banking is included in this so called identification app. The government will then be able to control what you spend your money on. People are already reporting that banks are quizzing them when they're trying to withdraw or transfer larger amounts of money. The government claim it's to prevent money laundering, yet they do absolutely nothing about all the dodgy barbers, nail bars, vape shops littering the high street.

Health information will then be included. A hackers dream, along with your banking information of course.

Then it'll be incorporated into a social credit system whereby you won't be able to access goods or services if you don't fit certain criteria. Don't think it won't happen. This isn't about ID, preventing crime or illegal immigration.

You provide a document from list A (passport, driving licence, birth certificate) and a couple of documents from List B (bank statements, council Tax etc). You give them to your employer and they pay for a CRB check confirming you have no convictions.

Another question… how do you know the man you are marrying is not already married? I’m not sure about the Registry Office, I presume they check marriage certificates. But if you get married in a church, you tell the vicar and they believe you. I didn’t need any ID at all when I got married, which wasn’t that long ago.

So many organisations including various government departments, have lots of information about us already, so why not ?
I personally don't see any downsides other than the cost to the taxpayer for the initial set up. Plus the fact that I am the least photogenic person I know

I can guarantee that once set up NO party in Govt is going to roll it back. Tories will be selling it off like the utilities saying it's good that an offshore investment fund with China/UAE etc as it's investors will be in charge of all our data. How about fingerprinting/DNA everyone to add to the database?

If I was a convicted criminal in the UK the first thing I would do is change my name and move to another area.

What do they check marriage certificates against? The 1 millions John Smiths?

How do they check mothers only claim benefits for children born of them?

How do you travel with minor children?

I'm OK with it. I've got a passport, after all. I think it will mean voting will be easier for people who haven't got a driving licence or a passport. My friends on the European mainland think it's odd that the UK doesn't already issues ID cards.

So do you have to take your phone everywhere, I often leave mine at home

As someone who was brought up with extremist ’christians’ I’ve been waiting to be branded with the number of the beast my whole life so this ID card nonsense feels a bit wishy washy and nanny pamby in comparison.

i don’t have issue with it but this is the first I’ve heard of it, through scrolling on mumsnet.

as a part time working mum who needs back up from the welfare state in order to keep a roof over our heads and eat etc, I don’t have much in the way of privacy or agency over many things so this doesn’t feel like much of a jump for me.

It would be helpful to have less need for providing documents form lists one and two for various validation purposes .

I hope it doesn’t become a way for crazy xenophobes and racists to start trying to take the law into their hands when they see a different colour skin or hear a different language or accent.

id love for someone to reply to me here, non fear based with pure logic and common sense:
what are the pros?
what are the cons?who is at risk?
when is it expected to happen?

You probably won’t get a choice. I’ve had one since birth - it’s not an issue but without it you can’t access healthcare, education and tax services. The British go over the top and ridiculous about progress
What do you have to hide?

No one who really has worked against serious organised crime would be posting about it on a chat forum, even under an alias.

It’s a plastic card - same size as a credit card.