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My teenage daughter hates her ethnicity

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ByCoralZebra · 23/09/2025 12:50

My daughter is 17 and she was born in Hong Kong. We moved to the UK when she was 13 but her dad still works in Hong Kong. I'm wasian and her dad's fully cantonese. We are planning to stay with her dad in Hong Kong the upcoming holidays and dd is very upset about it. She has a few friends there that she can meet up with and she loves hiking with her dad. But whenever the trip is mentioned she burst into tears.

She says she doesn't like Hong Kong because she thinks the culture is mean and rude. I asked her why she thinks that and she said there's a general culture of being ill wishing and unkind. I asked her for an example of there while she was in Hong Kong and she couldn't give me any.

In her cohort now there is 3 girls (including her) that are from Hong Kong, and they are all friends. It turns out that her horrible impression of HKers now comes from them. One of those girls' dad is a doctor and the girl would tell my dd how her dad would tell her how his patients are fat and deserve it as they smoke. She would tell her how being rational and direct is just cantonese culture. I of course told dd I, along with a lot of HKers would find that abhorrent and it is absolutely NOT cantonese culture and that it's an excuse.

The other day my daughter's cohort had a lady come talk to them about road safety whose son had died in a car crash after drink driving. Most of her cohort, including her had cried a bit and the 2 friends called her emotional and talked about how the son deserved it and how they think the mum is attention seeking and pretentious. I of course told her that is very unkind of them and there's nothing wrong with crying.

Once my daughter was excitedly showing them a dress online that she really likes and they said that her boobs are too small for it and started comparing her to her friend who had worn the dress before to an event. She was secretly upset about it. And one of them likes making "tsk" noises at people for things as minor as something accidentally brushed past her and already apologized and apparently those are all HK cultures and not a problem if you're cantonese.

I do not agree with anything above and made that clear to dd and that they were just using HK as an excuse. However dd is still very reluctant to go for the trip and bursts into tears everytime it's mentioned. We are going because DH couldn't take more than 5 days off work, which means it would be impossible for him to come visit us in the UK. I am at such a lost and dd now hates being cantonese. Argh!

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Lalaloope · 24/09/2025 10:28

ByCoralZebra · 24/09/2025 07:41

She has 1-2 friends in HK and she thinks they are the exception. Those 2 girls are the only cantonese girls in her life in the majority of time.

I've asked before but does she not know anyone from the Asian side of family and her dad's family? I'd think having these relationships would help her solidify her Asian identity and culture if these two friends are swaying her mind so easily.

Lalaloope · 24/09/2025 10:30

Gmary22 · 24/09/2025 07:35

She's been infected by the woke mind virus to think that all western cultures are evil.

Huh? Are we on the same thread or did you just read the title and come swinging? Your post seems to be made for a different/opposite thread.

Sparklesandspandexgallore · 24/09/2025 10:43

Her friends sound vile.

Panola · 24/09/2025 10:46

Lalaloope · 24/09/2025 10:30

Huh? Are we on the same thread or did you just read the title and come swinging? Your post seems to be made for a different/opposite thread.

I think they must have read the title only.

ByCoralZebra · 24/09/2025 13:52

Lalaloope · 24/09/2025 10:28

I've asked before but does she not know anyone from the Asian side of family and her dad's family? I'd think having these relationships would help her solidify her Asian identity and culture if these two friends are swaying her mind so easily.

She does but the family lives in Australia and we just haven't managed to have much contact.

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ByCoralZebra · 24/09/2025 14:01

AllJoyAndNoFun · 24/09/2025 08:41

Cantonese people are definitely a lot more direct and that is often a good thing IMO, but they're not mean (quite the opposite in general) and it seems like these girls are just not very nice and are hiding behind the "directness" excuse.

Did these girls also grow up in HK? I ask because often you find that when people emigrate, cultural traits can become more engrained, almost as though they are worried that they'll lose their cultural identity if they don't do these things.

Yes these girls did grow up in HK and came to the UK later compared to my dd.

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MerryAmberBird · 26/09/2025 09:52

Came across this in Facebook; thought that I should make a response.

I (21) grew up in HK and I strongly hate my ethnicity too, to a point where I disown it and changed my last name. I have made absolutely zero friends there growing up. I have met all my friends overseas.

I grew up being different from most kids and that my situation is often met with misunderstanding. I never fitted in, and I probably never will. Rather than being offered help; people, both adults and my peers ostracized me even more. Everyone pressures me to be more like them (in some way, e.g. socially/academically), which I refused as I knew that it wouldn't be a path I felt comfortable in. The education system also screwed me over as well.

HK people, from what I have experienced growing up, are "toxic" in general and have "weird" social standards that nowhere else in the world has, and they say these things out very straightforwardly without considering how others feel, such as using very negative Cantonese terms to describe those who they are different in some form (e.g. not fitting in socially, being interllectually incompetent or even things like not having enough Instagram followers). It's just... strange, and something I will never care to understand. They also make lots of assumptions and pre-determine things about you and don't embrace that people are different.

I spend most of my year overseas nowadays and whenever I return to HK I see the stark difference between places.

Feel free to reach out if you'd like, OP. It's not just your daughter, I fully relate and understand that things are difficult.

Meooow · 26/09/2025 09:59

This post was suggested to me by Facebook and I have to be the most qualified person to reply so I came here to make a comment.

I was born and bred in Hong Kong as a local Cantonese. Lived there for 29 years, studied in local schools including Uni in HK until I moved to the UK just 3 years ago. Since 2018, I started hanging out with expats because my now husband was an expat from the UK living in HK.

I hate the general, day-to-day HK culture. Yes HK people are direct but the directness is not the issue. It only became an issue when people often have all these mean thoughts.

I still am very blunt and direct too but I now choose to not say anything if I have nothing nice to say. This is learnt because it is not in my culture. I also try to criticise less and appreciate more. Lots of HK people simply don't. They hate everything because they live in a very high stress environment.

I visited HK every 6 months ish in the past 3 years. Last time I went back I was 30 weeks pregnant and was wearing bodycon dresses the whole time. I took the MTR 6 times and no one offered me a seat for 30min journeys. People could see the bump but they don't care. In fact, I often read on the HK forum LIHKG and Threads that HK people question why they should give up their seat or help pregnant women when they paid the same bus fare / MTR fare and they weren't the one making the woman pregnant in the first place. They also said "if you are poor and cannot afford to take the taxi to work every day, you should not be having a child" When I told my HK friends that I was not given a seat even once, their replies were "You have been away for too long to remember that you have to stand right in front of the priority seat and ask the person to get up for you!"

Sorry for the rant above but your daughter's HK "friends" are only showing her the unfiltered version of themselves and sadly our HK culture is still rather uncivilised because most of our parents or grandparents weren't raised with class or grace but awfulness because criticism was the tool of choice to improve their children's life and society. Mums would ask "why are you not as good as our neighbours' son in the exam?!" instead of "You have made good effort. Now let's see what you can do to improve next time."

As for the little noise people make for small annoyances, local people do it all the time but it is soooo local that if you are not in the local circle you won't see it. There's even a video from an expat on this: www.instagram.com/reel/DJjPeKLtFQI/?igsh=MjR1cHphd3dhdjl1

All of these things your daughter mentioned are truly local to HK. But if you are in the expats circle in HK, you will never see it because most locals don't mingle with expats. The ones that do are more likely to be professionals and educated so they would have learnt to behave differently.

I would suggest that your daughter find some new friends. Also she needs to know that she can avoid this kind of people easily during her trip. Visiting HK as a tourist is so much fun and she does not need to endure unpleasant people as a tourist.

Some suggestions for her trip -
Hiking: Dragon's back, Sunset Peak, High West of Victoria Peak.
Stream hiking is also very fun if weather permits. Try Double deer. (6 hours)

Beach: sadly not Repulse Bay anymore because now there are hundreds of Mainland Chinese tourists who came on a coach for the day standing around there (making it very very crowded) and sometimes taking pictures of people in bikinis because they seemed to have never seen the beach before

Shopping malls: K11 is really cool!

xsquared · 26/09/2025 12:12

I follow him too @Meooow ! Apart from his accent, his Cantonese is pretty good.

WittyTaupeFox · 26/09/2025 13:01

I think you’re being a bit dismissive of how she feels about Hong Kong.

if you left when she was 13 and she is now 17 you would have left during covid & at that time the Hong Kong government pretty strict and frankly terrifying control measures in place. Remember at a critical time in her childhood she was online schooling for months at a time, unable to meet with more than one friend at a time, closed beaches, closed social settings etc etc etc. It was awful (we lived there) no matter how quickly you have forgotten, maybe she hasn’t & her trips back having now lived in England show her just how crazy all that was and still spills over in peoples attitudes and behaviours.

go easy on her - she likes her life in England and is probably reluctant to be back in the place that holds bad memories for her.

LBloomer · 27/09/2025 11:22

a) Your girl probably has something that her “friends” don’t have but are dying to have.
b.) Your girl needs to know those girls are not her friends. If it is too hard for her to walk away, then maybe she can drive them away by keeping her responses to them to one word while looking uninterested/indifferent in what they say?!

I can tell your girl is really frustrated that she needs some inner peace. I wish her well.

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