Trump on autism

[BeHappySloth]

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

During covid the other administration ordered every dissenting voice (against lockdowns, calling out the mandatory vax, sharing alternate science) removed from all social media. Pretty much everyone I followed was banned lol. They were all talking about things that are widely accepted now about the pandemic. Nobody talks about that now though.

It's scary though how many people on SM are agreeing with him, all those "I have done my research" and "He's telling the truth that has long been hidden"- I thought people would be laughing at this all the way but no, lots of lunatics actually think he's right!

oh come on, that was no true! I had many 'friends' that were writing the most preposterous sh..t on FB and were not removed from SM. They removed a few craziest anti vaxx groups, but that was really the extent of it, so unless your friends were total looneys (that are now being celebrated for their stupidity) no one was being removed.

We will only have to wait and see, I guess. The corruption in the government in the US and in the pharmaceutical industry and supposed government bodies is overwhelming. This is a very small chink in that system, which has been designed to keep profits high and with no care given as to the health of the population. I welcome anything that may give some more information to the public to empower them to have better health.

Millions of autistic people can and do live and work without 'support' (at least paid, professional support I assume you mean)
Autism is a spectrum and that means it includes people who would never have been considered for assessment and diagnosis in the 80s/90s when autism was viewed as a disability only. Plenty of people are independent, functioning, professional people living good lives, and plenty of the children diagnosed autistic now will grow up the same.

That’s interesting, I don’t remember not hearing both sides, it seemed like a relentless argument as far as I remember.

It sounds nice but do you really think backing off on long established vaccinations is going to go well? Do you think people have forgotten polio?

I had norovirus when I was 6 months pregnant with ds2, was given anti-sickness meds bc I couldn't even keep water down. I had a gp home visit for that, she was so worried that the stress on my body would start premature labour. I was very sick, but I didn't have paracetamol. My son has dyspraxia, and probably autism too (but not diagnosed).

We already have autism on both sides of the family, of course those uncles and aunts were never diagnosed back in the 70s bc people just didn't back then. You were simply thought of as "odd".

I highly doubt that paracetamol gives unborn babies autism, if anything, its far more likely the illness and fever that the mother is trying to treat causes stress to the baby who already has a predisposition to autism. Maybe!... but Autism has always existed, there isn't an 'explosion' in cases, were just better at spotting it now.

Think back to the Victorian age, with all those collectors who founded museums and spent their life cataloguing, and bachelor men who had obsessions with rules and order. Sherlock Holmes! High-functioning Autism was celebrated back then. It certainly hasn't just appeared in recent history, and it's bugger-all to do with paracetamol!

I really don’t understand why most people posting here aren’t relieved that someone is finally looking into the epidemic of autism in today’s children.

Most research about autism suggests it is genetic - certainly makes sense in my family. I have two autistic DC and didn't take paracetamol in either pregnancy. Next we'll be told it's because we ate broccoli or something equally ridiculous.

I think there could be a way to make vaccines safer. There is no incentive right now, as the manufacturers are cannot be sued for injury, so they can make profits and never face consequences. That was decided in 1986.

Its obvious to anyone who notices stuff that autism runs in families. There may also be a link to paracetamol. I believe there is also a proven link to older fathers ... funny that the old sperm theory does not seem to appeal to these wrinkly old republicans!

That'll be a massive drop in vaccine uptake then. He is going to literally kill people.

What are they going to stop women from doing next?

This.

I think autism has two clear categories and it should be split in two separate conditions.

One is a bolt out of the blue, usually no family history or suspicions of autism. Severe difficulties, non verbal, often very locked off even to primary caregivers. (DD2 in our case)

The other (and my family's usual for example) is often generations of 'eccentric' family members. Social and sensory difficulties, sometimes profound but they find work arounds, but they are able to function within society (though often at a cost to their mental health if forced to do conventionally).

We have many in the second category in our family, but DD is the very first in the family to have the first. While I accept there may be a spectrum within each two categories (IQ level etc.), I don't believe they are the same condition at all. I think it is akin to a disease that shares some similar symptoms but is not the same.

There are vaccine injury funds. The one in the US, you’re correct, is not funded by the vaccine manufacturers, but a tax on each vaccine goes into the fund. I wonder who will fund the medical costs related to treating the diseases previously eradicated by vaccines? In the US, the health insurance companies know full well that vaccines are cheaper than the diseases they’ve eradicated. Cheaper than the, unfortunate but small number of, vaccine injuries. I suspect, though that ultimately the burden of financial and emotional pain caused by the burden of these diseases returning will fall on the individual.

It's such a ridiculous theory and so full of holes! Let's be comforted by the fact that only the dimwits will believe it.

I see your point. It will be so interesting to see the effect on the immune system from vaccinations and what, if any, side effects there are. I'm excited to have all the information.

I wish I shared your excitement, we’ve already seen children dying from measles again.

That’s a really interesting theory. My adult DD is def on the ND spectrum (cba to get a diagnosis) and most of her friends are also ND in some way so the likelihood of her life partner being the same are high. Although she is gay so unlikely it’ll happen in her case!!

Calling autism an epidemic implies that it is a disease- extremely offensive and way off base.

But far, far, far more dangerous.

What do you mean? The effect on the immune system is an immune response-similar to the illness which means it has a protective effect on subsequent infections. .

It's a shame they haven't found a link between men who take painkillers and their autistic offspring. Then it wouldn't just be pregnant women who have to be in pain.

When someone expresses an opinion on a thread like this, it’s normal to talk about why you have that opinion. That’s what the poster seems to be asking you.

Oh, no fear of that, they will stop keeping statistics on the effects of vaccinations, saying they are a waste of time and money, just like they have stopped keeping statistics on hunger in Americans in 2025, or on current inflation rates, for example, because they don’t want the facts to be known. Who needs experts and facts when you’ve got ignorant toadies?