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Trump on autism

694 replies

BeHappySloth · 22/09/2025 21:59

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

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Honish · 23/09/2025 19:19

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 17:42

Exactly. It’s also just another thing to shame and blame women with. Shameless scaremongering. What exactly are women supposed to do for pain relief? Suffer I suppose. 🙄

Perhaps its not about you, perhaps it's about trying to help children and future generations. Should this research not be done just in case some women feel 'shamed'?
You seriously think they've done all that research for the sole purpose of shaming women??

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/09/2025 19:21

Just watched a summary of his speech to the UN on C4 news.
WTF is he on?

TopPocketFind · 23/09/2025 19:22

Honish · 23/09/2025 19:19

Perhaps its not about you, perhaps it's about trying to help children and future generations. Should this research not be done just in case some women feel 'shamed'?
You seriously think they've done all that research for the sole purpose of shaming women??

They haven't done research.

They are anti women

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/09/2025 19:23

Honish · 23/09/2025 19:19

Perhaps its not about you, perhaps it's about trying to help children and future generations. Should this research not be done just in case some women feel 'shamed'?
You seriously think they've done all that research for the sole purpose of shaming women??

What research? Find the evidence. They’ve done sweet fa research.

LottieMary · 23/09/2025 19:26

RozGruber · 22/09/2025 22:17

What makes you think pharma companies will stand up to him when the universities, law firms, TV networks and most countries in the world have not?

Edited

They have a lot more money

childofthe607080s · 23/09/2025 19:30

It’s probably not to shame women- but as a side effect that’s fine

its probably to make money - by selling as safe something that is made in America, more expensive than paracetamol- and probably no where near as well tested for safety as paracetamol

and they don’t have to convince everyone to be able to make a really handsome profit

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 19:30

TopPocketFind · 23/09/2025 19:22

They haven't done research.

They are anti women

Exactly. Trump doesn’t give a shiny shit about women. Odious man.

Shame on the women supporting him.

Coolasfeck · 23/09/2025 19:34

Honish · 23/09/2025 19:19

Perhaps its not about you, perhaps it's about trying to help children and future generations. Should this research not be done just in case some women feel 'shamed'?
You seriously think they've done all that research for the sole purpose of shaming women??

What research?

babybythesea · 23/09/2025 19:36

Livelovebehappy · 23/09/2025 18:42

Obviously not good or responsible for trump to come out withbthis rubbish theory, but bi think we would all welcome an investigation into exactly what's causing Autism to be so rampant. I have my own theories. The upside would be that we could stop this happening to so many families causing so much misery. But also the welfare system having to accommodate a huge increase in claims - it could save billions if we found out why Autism is on the up. Then we could do something about it.

When you say autism, what exactly do you mean?
Do you mean kids like dd, who is sparky and loving and a great athlete but struggles with organisation and a sudden change in routine? She doesn’t need PIP or benefits- she just needs a bit of recognition that if something is going to change she needs time to process that, and a bit of support with sorting herself out (in terms of having the right kit etc.) Hence getting a diagnosis, so she can thrive and be herself because people understand her a bit better.
As I said earlier, mum is almost certainly autistic but has had a great career and has many friends and an active social life.
Are these the people you want to cure? Why???
Or are you assuming everyone is on the more extreme end of the spectrum?

One reason for the rise in diagnosis is that traits that were labelled ‘quirky’ in my mum are autism in dd. It doesn’t mean there’s a problem.

SleeplessInWherever · 23/09/2025 19:36

Honish · 23/09/2025 19:19

Perhaps its not about you, perhaps it's about trying to help children and future generations. Should this research not be done just in case some women feel 'shamed'?
You seriously think they've done all that research for the sole purpose of shaming women??

Trying to help children what, not be autistic?

I’ll stay polite. Just about. We shouldn’t look for ways to not have disabled people. That is ableist, and unethical.

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 23/09/2025 19:37

Croakymccroakyvoice · 23/09/2025 18:35

Let me guess, the research methods you teach dont involve watching random spouting off on YouTube?

Teaching healthcare research methods at a university, no YouTube 😁😁

Livelovebehappy · 23/09/2025 19:40

smileattherain · 23/09/2025 19:07

When typing out posts like this, I wish people would stop and think what it feels like to read this as someone who is autistic with autistic children. Does society really wish that we just didn't exist?

Of course thats not what it means. But surely you want other people to not have to go through the difficulties in life you have experienced? I have a niece who has autism and her mum is absolutely drained by the daily challenges she faces. Currently doesnt have a school place.

childofthe607080s · 23/09/2025 19:41

is autism becoming rampant? I thought most experts say that the definition is broader with Asperger’s now called autism and hec they even bother to diagnose girls now so that doubles the numbers before you blink

ao even the assertion that autism is growing seems dubious never mind the assertion that it’s paracetamol that causes it

I really hope by “research methods” you don’t mean statistics @CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 23/09/2025 19:46

childofthe607080s · 23/09/2025 19:41

is autism becoming rampant? I thought most experts say that the definition is broader with Asperger’s now called autism and hec they even bother to diagnose girls now so that doubles the numbers before you blink

ao even the assertion that autism is growing seems dubious never mind the assertion that it’s paracetamol that causes it

I really hope by “research methods” you don’t mean statistics @CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution

Absolutely with regards to have autism rates just “increased” because doctors are recognising it better now. So better diagnosis. When I was a child at school in the 80s there were plenty of “naughty “ kids who were never sent to see anyone or get to the bottom of anything.

No, i don’t teach statistics, though I do do a session on quantitative research methods. Spend most sessions looking at how to critically analyse research, so lots of discussion on CASP tools and pulling apart specific studies.

smileattherain · 23/09/2025 19:50

Livelovebehappy · 23/09/2025 19:40

Of course thats not what it means. But surely you want other people to not have to go through the difficulties in life you have experienced? I have a niece who has autism and her mum is absolutely drained by the daily challenges she faces. Currently doesnt have a school place.

People are affected in so many different ways and of course I wish that my son (also currently without a school place) could have the support he deserves which would reduce a huge amount of stress and heartache (and allow him to make a real contribution to the world, without changing who he is, when he gets older). However, I dont believe that he is any way 'less' for being autistic, or that the world would be better without people like him.

lifeonmars100 · 23/09/2025 19:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/09/2025 19:21

Just watched a summary of his speech to the UN on C4 news.
WTF is he on?

certainly not Tylenol 😂! I watched that and it was insane, he is so dangerous, mad and rambling. Looks as if he has had a fresh dye job too, the dead rodent on his head looks blonder, I am sure it was snowy white when he was doing his royal rubbish last week. Sorry to be so superficial, t is the only way I can cope with his ravings.

WearyAuldWumman · 23/09/2025 20:01

EmeraldShamrock000 · 23/09/2025 00:17

You must be joking, plenty of people struggled in my class in the 80's.
Most left without qualifications, 83 to 90 something.
I had remedial Math and English classes, left school knowing very little.
The boldest boy in my class, died of a drug over dose in a doorway, clearly his issues weren't recognise, his self esteem plummeted.
There was plenty who couldn't concentrate. Back then you had classes in secondary for the smart, semi smart, thick kids, not judging. I was in the low class, it was great fun back but not much learning.

I was born in 1960. Children with significant difficulties were not in mainstream schools in my childhood. Those who struggled in mainstream at my primary suddenly disappeared (to the 'special school').

At high school (Scotland, the 1970s) children who were deemed not to be coping were moved into the Remedial Department in 'the huts'. In Third Year, they were joined by those who were struggling academically and the 'R' class became the 'S' class - and those children left at 16 with no qualifications.

We definitely had autistic children. One of my schoolmates had an older autistic sister who was kept at home. One of our neighbours had an autistic non-verbal teenage daughter who was left to run around the block and chase after younger children. (The poor soul was just trying to play, but she was adult size and we were frightened of her.)

It's now clear to us that one of my mother's uncles and two of her cousins were 'high-functioning' and on the spectrum.

(Great-Uncle bought a field close to his brother's home. He built his 'hut' with a functioning fireplace. Whenever anyone came to the house, he sought refuge in his hut. His Shetland pony used to curl up in front of the fire.)

When my younger cousin's son was diagnosed with Asperger's, that helped us to understand a great deal about our family.

CanadaNotAMum · 23/09/2025 20:01

ERthree · 23/09/2025 16:56

Haven't read or watched anything about what Trump has said. When i was pregnant 40 years ago i was warned not to take paracetamol, has that advice changed ?

What did they tell you to take instead? It’s been advised for several decades that acetaminophen is the safest med for pain and fever for pregnant women. Actually, for pretty much everybody except people who drink alcohol as it can cause liver issues at high doses and/or in conjunction with alcohol.

Other pain relievers like NSAIDs can cause gastritis and ulcers although they are better for inflammation.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/09/2025 20:04

I was pregnant 32 years ago. Paracetamol was fine to take then.

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/09/2025 20:23

Livelovebehappy · 23/09/2025 18:42

Obviously not good or responsible for trump to come out withbthis rubbish theory, but bi think we would all welcome an investigation into exactly what's causing Autism to be so rampant. I have my own theories. The upside would be that we could stop this happening to so many families causing so much misery. But also the welfare system having to accommodate a huge increase in claims - it could save billions if we found out why Autism is on the up. Then we could do something about it.

This! 👏👏 The suggestion often mooted is that it's just 'being diagnosed more'.

That might be the case in those with mild symptoms/characteristics - but what about those presenting with significant symptoms/characteristics?
I find it hard to believe those people wouldn't have received an accurate diagnosis whether it was 2025... or 1995.

There evidently IS a marked increase in individuals who are on the autism spectrum - so there must be something causing that increase.

Rather than waste time focusing on the ramblings of the orange one, someone, somewhere, should be trying to find out what that 'something' is.

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 20:29

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/09/2025 20:23

This! 👏👏 The suggestion often mooted is that it's just 'being diagnosed more'.

That might be the case in those with mild symptoms/characteristics - but what about those presenting with significant symptoms/characteristics?
I find it hard to believe those people wouldn't have received an accurate diagnosis whether it was 2025... or 1995.

There evidently IS a marked increase in individuals who are on the autism spectrum - so there must be something causing that increase.

Rather than waste time focusing on the ramblings of the orange one, someone, somewhere, should be trying to find out what that 'something' is.

Do you honestly believe no one's thought to study it in the past several years?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reason-autism-rates-are-rising/

Rear view of boy with white headphones and a rainbow colored toy.

Rising Autism Rates Are Not an ‘Epidemic’

Autism rates are rising, but RFK, Jr., is wrong about the reasons. Here’s what the science says

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reason-autism-rates-are-rising/

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/09/2025 20:38

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 20:29

Do you honestly believe no one's thought to study it in the past several years?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reason-autism-rates-are-rising/

Well, yes, but they haven't arrived at a conclusion have they? So clearly more needs to be done...

sittingonabeach · 23/09/2025 20:39

@Jumpingthruhoops but being led by the orange one’s administration?

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/09/2025 20:42

sittingonabeach · 23/09/2025 20:39

@Jumpingthruhoops but being led by the orange one’s administration?

Right!? So what, we just don't investigate?

AndThenIsawhisface · 23/09/2025 20:46

Phoenix45 · 23/09/2025 11:46

Absolutely harmful rhetoric that not only perpetuates the thinking that Autism is a problem and can be “cured” but also blaming mothers, which is reminiscent of the “refrigerator mother”
theory back in the 1940s/50s.
It’s not surprising tbh coming from a bigot and a misogynist. Just so backward.

Autism is a problem for me and for my child. This is why there are lots of opinions about reclassifying autism into separate conditions depending on severity. It's really great it's not a problem from your perspective, it is to many many others though