Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

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To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

There seem to be a few blurred lines around the concept of freedom of speech, expression and religion in the context of US government and the constitution at the moment.

That was ABC’s decision to make.

In the same way, when Trump was kicked off Twitter, that was their decision to make, yes?

Freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequences, is that correct?

He said he would want his (currently 10 year old) daughter to give birth to a child resulting from rape.
That tells me all I need to know about him as a father.
Disgraceful.

I believe that she genuinely has forgiven him, because of her strong beliefs, it doesn't mean that she agrees or has an understanding, but believes that unforgiving actions will make her sadder, than she already is, believing that her husband is with God.
It's very sad.
As much as conspiracy theories cause madness, this situation stinks. There is a lot of rotten apples in the barrel.

Perhaps you find it confusing as you were under the assumption that the US is a Christian country, and aren’t familiar with the first amendment.

Maybe watch all the clips I this, instead of believing out of context rage baiting.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/erika-kirk-tyler-robinson-death-penalty-b2830893.html
Erika Kirk said that she is not calling for the death penalty. I think that people are being harsh. Her husband was murdered less than two weeks ago. She must be all over the place.

It seems a stretch to call CK hateful for holding bog standard American conservative positions. I disagree with many of those opinions but am surprised at the vitriol and misrepresentation of his viewpoints.

It doesn't sound like though, she said that she didn't want to have to justify "an eye for an eye" when she stands before God. That doesn't sound very pro.

Of course freedom of expression doesn't mean freedom from consequences, but you are a fool if you think that it was ABC's decision. There is plenty of evidence in the public domain that they came under significant pressure from the administration.

The President etc are certainly giving the impression that the US is a Christian country at the moment. Perhaps he should preface his ramblings with a disclaimer referencing that those are his personal views according to the freedoms accorded by the first amendment, and not necessarily reflective of the general populous, especially when he's beating the drums of "holy / spiritual war".

I also find that way of thinking disgusting, but we have no evidence to suggest that his wife feels any differently. We also don't know if he would have retained his theoretical beliefs if he had ever been confronted with the reality of that situation.

JD Vance said:

“Erika told me Charlie never raised his voice, never cussed at her, never was mean-spirited,” “I can never say that I’ve never raised my voice to my wife. Like most husbands, even the good ones, we’re sometimes imperfect.”

Erika also said that he often asked her how he could be better husband to her. That he wanted to be better and to do better by her and their children.

If they considered Kimmel’s comments to be reasonable and measured, perhaps ABC might have resisted such pressure and fought his corner? Evidently this was not the case.

Kimmel was free to express his views, but they came with consequences.

You're not serious? How can anyone take anything you say seriously? His daughter is not 10 years old! Soif you're going to use an example, at least get your facts right, or you lose all credibility,

Did you even watch it? He never came out and said it, he was talking about how he believed in the sanctity of human life and how he believed unborn babies deserved to live. He hated abortion.

The girl pushed him into answering the question , using the hypothetical scenario of his daughter being rated- his first words were how horrible of a situation it would be.

I don't agree with this view at all, but the way you've said it bears no resemblance to what he said.

There are hateful things preached weekly in this country, but no one would call the speakers there hateful.

She was very upfront about being more conservative that her husband. He was pro death penalty so no way she isn’t. She doesn’t have to say it though, she won’t be the one to decide, nor should she be. She will be being advised on what to say by those with an interest in using her to further their agendas and by those keeping an eye on future opportunities for her. What she says now is very important.

This just highlights the hypocrisy of ideology/religion, something that tells you to forgive, but in so many cases those same ‘forgiving’ people believe in the death penalty. Strange kind of forgiveness. It makes no sense.

Of course he doesn’t need to preface his ‘ramblings’ with an explanation of this - every American knows it! They’re perfectly aware of the Bill of Rights and their constitutional rights, even if you are not and the preface would help you out.

His daughter is currently about three, not 10. He was asked a question about what he would do in that awful hypothetical scenario, appeared horrified and said something along the lines of 'the child would be born'. An unsurprising response from someone who genuinely believes that abortion is murder, as many people do (I disagree).

There has been an underbelly of a spiritual war looming for a long time, mainly fueled in an response to Islam and the rise in immigration.
People menz use religion as a way to herd the violent reactions we have today.
Social media has let the hate spread like mould.
I think this speech will increase followers.

I think it might help out the rest of the world to be reassured that even if the US politicians are all nutjob fundamentalists counting pots of evangelical cash, there are a variety of other citizens who don't believe in the end times, rapture, demonic possession or spiritual warfare, because from where we're sitting that's the impression we're being given.

He said if his daughter was pregnant at aged 10 as a result of being raped, that ‘yes, the baby would be delivered’. Anyone that feels that way is mentally ill imo. You can not have healthy thought processes if you will let your belief of something take over your life so much that you are willing to let harm come to your actual existing fully formed young child for those beliefs.

You're missing the point. Deliberately, I think.

It's fine for people in the public eye to have to accept the consequences of what they say. Their employer may decide to sack them or they may be under pressure to resign.

It is not fine when "consequences" arise from direct threats to broadcasters by the administration in order to silence political dissent. This is the point at which speech ceases to be free.

Bury your head in the sand if you want to, and pretend it isn't happening, but freedom of expression in the US is very clearly under threat.

their daughter is 3

Wouldn’t perhaps be easier to admit that you were wrong about the US being a Christian country, and that Trump is not acting unconstitutionally in expressing his own religious beliefs?

If you perhaps knew a little more about basic American history and the Bill of Rights, you wouldn’t need such reassurances. You alone (not ‘we’) have the impression that ‘US politicians are all nutjob fundamentalists’ - which is blatantly and obviously untrue and a huge exaggeration on your part - because you’re not educated enough on the basic facts, and can’t seem to admit you’ve made basic mistakes.

USA is not a Christian country.
Trump is not a Christian - far from it.
Kirk was an evangelical Christian and espoused many views that contradict those of Christ.
His daughter is 3 years old.
Erika Kirk was raised Catholic. She says she has forgiven Tyler Robinson for shooting Charlie.

It is easy to stand by your moral values when you are not in the situation.
I'm against murder. I also know given the wrong circumstances that all humans are capable of murder, including me, although the thought is sickening now whilst I'm safe in my home.