Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

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To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

The point I was making was they needed armed guards on the streets because of the level of crime, not because it was some agenda because they had voted dem, the top 10 are all dem led, so it's not like they're avoiding republican led cities, there just isn't the same level of crime

Vision Zero is very much a thing in the context of road traffic. Helsinki just went 12 months without a fatality. Kirk himself used traffic fatalities as a comparison for gun deaths (guns still kill more) but in Europe we don't consider traffic deaths to be "worth the cost" either. That's why the EU (which has a 25% greater population than the US) has less than half of the number of traffic fatalities, because the issue is taken seriously.

Yeah, I don’t believe you.

Hispanics and black Americans have similar poverty rates and educational attainment levels. Stop fooling yourself, just because you feel uncomfortable with those facts.

Thanks for proving my point that we can improve safety without bans.

Can you back this up with facts rather than feelings?

I'll point you to the Sampson Harvard study. And others if you need it.

What can you point me toward?

I'm sure you do hear people speak about the UK in disparaging terms. My point was that for CK to use such language after being a guest in the UK was not polite. And to keep repeating 'the left do it too' is no justification in my eyes. I'm not responsible for the behaviour of those you label 'the left'. I'm not even sure who you're including for that matter. I'm talking about the manners of a man people keep singing the praises of as 'polite' when I don't think he was.

What rot. The troops were first sent to LA, because there were protests against Trump's policies. A judge later ruled the deployment illegal. Then they were sent to DC, despite DC's crime being on a long-term steady downward trend (except for a pandemic blip that was also coming down). DC is a safe city compared with the 1990s. Then Chicago was threatened. Chicago is a long way down the crime statistics. Far less violent than a long list of cities in red states. Oh yeah - and where do the guns used by criminals in Chicago come from? Neighbouring red states with looser gun laws.

This lays the case out nicely

inquisitivebird.xyz/p/race-economics-and-homicide

If a view is very widely held then there is probably a good reason for that. It makes little sense to treat huge swathes of the population as "hateful" as many are treating Kirk.

If Kirk's views on gun ownership are hateful and mean we shouldn't mourn his death, then we shouldn't mourn the deaths of most of the victims of US gun violence, who also believed in gun ownership.

If his views on homosexuality are hateful and mean we shouldn't be sad about his death, then we shouldn't be sad about most of the deaths in Gaza, where homophobia is widespread.

That is one guy crunching data. I am looking for peer reviewed studies that look at the nuances beyond the data. It's kind of critical.

There are no peer reviewed studies backing your claim that race is biggest factor behind crime. However, there are several backing mine that crime is down to socio economic factors.

They use raw data. Do you have an issue with the numbers they use?

Better than some study done in the 1930s in Boston. (That’s the one you referred to?)

Whoa!

So, you think black people have a predisposition for violence? Do you have anything to back that claim up?

haha. Robert Sampson is about 60, so I'm guessing not.

I am not going to get into the why. I don’t know why.

I just want people to know that that’s the reality of American cities.

It’s not necessarily Dem-controlled cities in Blue states. Boston doesn’t have this kind of crime problem.

Jackson, Mississippi does.

Don't you think you should question why you believe this? Especially when there is no evidence of it. I would be, if I were you.

no evidence for what exactly?

Anything you have claimed really.

I mean proper evidence. Proper studies. Not just one bloke crunching data without context or nuance.

Why haven't you backed your claims up with any evidence? Because, there is none. This is what one might term an inconvenient truth.

Charlie didn't like it that Ms Rachel said in a video she is Christian and loves everyone, including gay people and that her favourite Bible quote is 'Love thy neighbour:
Charlie responded in a video with his crones making fun of Ms Rachel's views and said:
'[...] is in Leviticus 18, is that thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death, just saying. So, Ms. Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself. The chapter before affirms God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.'

Charlie missing the basic tenet of Christianity there:

Jesus introduced a new commandment as recorded in John 13:34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

For a Christian this is what will have primacy - Leviticus is Old Testament and is superseded in Christianity by the New Testament, with particular emphasis on the Gospel.

’This verse from the Bible, specifically John 13:34, captures the essence of Jesus’ teachings on love and compassion. Here, Jesus is imparting a new commandment to his disciples, emphasizing the importance of loving one another just as he has loved them. This directive goes beyond mere acquaintance or friendship; it calls for a deep, selfless, and sacrificial love that mirrors the unconditional love that Jesus showed to his followers. Just as Jesus demonstrated love through his actions, we can show kindness, empathy, and understanding to those around us, fostering a sense of community and support. We create a positive and inclusive environment where everyone feels valued and cared for by following this commandment to love one another.’

So now it’s being claimed that black people have a predisposition to violence.

Absolutely disgusting racism on this thread. Shame on you.

@5128gap yes I can see your points and appreciate your point of view, I was responding initially to the idea he was hateful which I don’t think you said so my apologies there. I think in his direct conversations (that I have seen - which are many) and debates with students, he was very polite and respectful. Also a bit arrogant, with laughs and side eyes at times. But largely, I believe, polite and wanted to talk, thanked people, gave them his time and attention, gave advice and also inspired a great many people to do better. He also gave a voice to the under represented people on university campuses - those with conservative views. I say that as someone who lectures and researches at a RG university. I would not voice what I think at university. It would not go well for me - and I have what would traditionally be considered just right of centrist views.

Do you need to be spoonfed this information? The source where the numbers are from are clearly indicated.

But I suppose you could look at the poorest counties in America and see they are actually diverse, in that Native Americans, border towns and Appalachian regions are well represented in this list.

The crime problem isn’t there (they will have higher crime rates, yes. But they won’t be on the level of Jackson MI or St Louis

It’s not racist. It’s just a fact that 13% of the population commits 55% of the murders in my home country.

You wouldn’t be considered a misandrist if you pointed out that men, all men, commit 90%+ of all the crime.

Claiming that black people have a predisposition to violence IS racist.

Please point out where I said that thx